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		<title>By: Richard Layman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Layman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I guess you should be reading washcycle.typepad.com...

And Erik, I am in the middle group.  I do ride through red lights if there isn&#039;t traffic.  I think most of the reason drivers get worked up about it, is because they wish they were able to do it to.  It&#039;s resentment.

I think of it more as giving me more opportunity to stay away from cars for longer periods of time, since it is fair as a rule to say that most automobile drivers don&#039;t pay attention to non-autos/trucks.  I have been hit a few times by cars while riding legally...

Drivers who bitch about bicyclists tend to not be too cognizant of the _fact_ that while auto drivers are not at risk from bicyclists, bicyclists are at great risk from drivers, and so our doing things like going through a red light (after stopping and checking, and never if there is oncoming traffic) is a logical choice.

2x I&#039;ve had bikes totalled by car-bike accidents that weren&#039;t my fault.  And it doesn&#039;t take much to &quot;total&quot; a bike if your wheels and fork are bent beyond repair.  And the car driver sure isn&#039;t gonna pay for it...

For the comment about lane splitting.  Guess what, it&#039;s legal.  Check out a recent washcycle post about it.

You want me to take up a whole lane of traffic, and not lane split, thereby likely slowing one lane of automobile traffic significantly?  I&#039;m game, but it would generate a significant amount of resentment that would put me at risk.  See discussion above for how I think that would go over with drivers...

If I had a dollar for every automobile driver who yelled out a nasty comment to me in relation to riding bicycles--not having any thing to do with how I am operating my bicycle--I would be very rich indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I guess you should be reading washcycle.typepad.com&#8230;</p>
<p>And Erik, I am in the middle group.  I do ride through red lights if there isn&#8217;t traffic.  I think most of the reason drivers get worked up about it, is because they wish they were able to do it to.  It&#8217;s resentment.</p>
<p>I think of it more as giving me more opportunity to stay away from cars for longer periods of time, since it is fair as a rule to say that most automobile drivers don&#8217;t pay attention to non-autos/trucks.  I have been hit a few times by cars while riding legally&#8230;</p>
<p>Drivers who bitch about bicyclists tend to not be too cognizant of the _fact_ that while auto drivers are not at risk from bicyclists, bicyclists are at great risk from drivers, and so our doing things like going through a red light (after stopping and checking, and never if there is oncoming traffic) is a logical choice.</p>
<p>2x I&#8217;ve had bikes totalled by car-bike accidents that weren&#8217;t my fault.  And it doesn&#8217;t take much to &#8220;total&#8221; a bike if your wheels and fork are bent beyond repair.  And the car driver sure isn&#8217;t gonna pay for it&#8230;</p>
<p>For the comment about lane splitting.  Guess what, it&#8217;s legal.  Check out a recent washcycle post about it.</p>
<p>You want me to take up a whole lane of traffic, and not lane split, thereby likely slowing one lane of automobile traffic significantly?  I&#8217;m game, but it would generate a significant amount of resentment that would put me at risk.  See discussion above for how I think that would go over with drivers&#8230;</p>
<p>If I had a dollar for every automobile driver who yelled out a nasty comment to me in relation to riding bicycles&#8211;not having any thing to do with how I am operating my bicycle&#8211;I would be very rich indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2008/03/friday-question-of-the-day-rent-a-bicycle/#comment-101812</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it didn&#039;t take long for a post about a bike-sharing system to turn into the same discussion about bikes vs. cars vs. who breaks more laws vs. who is more annoying vs. blah blah blah.

-yawn-

Too bad we couldn&#039;t actually have a discussion about bike sharing in DC. Anyone surprised this happens everytime anyone mentions bikes in a blog post absolutely anywhere? We are all now a little bit dumber as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it didn&#8217;t take long for a post about a bike-sharing system to turn into the same discussion about bikes vs. cars vs. who breaks more laws vs. who is more annoying vs. blah blah blah.</p>
<p>-yawn-</p>
<p>Too bad we couldn&#8217;t actually have a discussion about bike sharing in DC. Anyone surprised this happens everytime anyone mentions bikes in a blog post absolutely anywhere? We are all now a little bit dumber as a result.</p>
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		<title>By: washcycle</title>
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		<dc:creator>washcycle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically this isn&#039;t a bike rental system but a bike sharing system - more like using books from the library. Except for the $40 annual fee, it&#039;s totally free. Bikes can be checked out at one location and returned to another.

You can check a bike out for up to three hours for free. After that you get a penalty point on your account. Three penalty points and you&#039;re account is canceled.

More kiosks and more bikes are probably going to be needed to make the system work, but it&#039;s like your first apartment, it is what it is and hopefully it will get better. The need to sign up will make it hard for tourists to use, but it isn&#039;t supposed to be a tourist transportation system. It&#039;s for residents. What percentage of traffic is made up of European tourists anyway?

DC is building a bike station near Union Station. Work should start this year.

Lane splitting is legal. As is taking the entire lane - even if it makes it difficult to pass.

And finally I doubt that cyclists break the law more frequently than drivers. There&#039;s been no real study, but I know which side I&#039;d put my money on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically this isn&#8217;t a bike rental system but a bike sharing system &#8211; more like using books from the library. Except for the $40 annual fee, it&#8217;s totally free. Bikes can be checked out at one location and returned to another.</p>
<p>You can check a bike out for up to three hours for free. After that you get a penalty point on your account. Three penalty points and you&#8217;re account is canceled.</p>
<p>More kiosks and more bikes are probably going to be needed to make the system work, but it&#8217;s like your first apartment, it is what it is and hopefully it will get better. The need to sign up will make it hard for tourists to use, but it isn&#8217;t supposed to be a tourist transportation system. It&#8217;s for residents. What percentage of traffic is made up of European tourists anyway?</p>
<p>DC is building a bike station near Union Station. Work should start this year.</p>
<p>Lane splitting is legal. As is taking the entire lane &#8211; even if it makes it difficult to pass.</p>
<p>And finally I doubt that cyclists break the law more frequently than drivers. There&#8217;s been no real study, but I know which side I&#8217;d put my money on.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it so hard to understand that in a city of &quot;poor&quot; drivers, that the bicyclists are no better?  And by poor, I mean law breaking, careless, and dangerous.  Do what you can to let people know that they are driving/bicycling inappropriately (honking, waving of your hands, etc.).  Besides driving/bicycling safely yourself, I don&#039;t see much else you can do on an individual basis.  That is unless you have an in with the MPD to actually enforce traffic laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it so hard to understand that in a city of &#8220;poor&#8221; drivers, that the bicyclists are no better?  And by poor, I mean law breaking, careless, and dangerous.  Do what you can to let people know that they are driving/bicycling inappropriately (honking, waving of your hands, etc.).  Besides driving/bicycling safely yourself, I don&#8217;t see much else you can do on an individual basis.  That is unless you have an in with the MPD to actually enforce traffic laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Washington City Paper: News &#38; Features: Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Washington City Paper: News &#38; Features: Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Petworth opens an interesting discussion on the upcoming bike rental program piloted by d. downtown. The question at hand is whether people [...]</description>
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		<title>By: esteban</title>
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		<dc:creator>esteban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They already rent out bikes in DC.  I went on a Bike the Sites tour for $20.00.  They have a location near the Old Post Office.  You don&#039;t have to do the tour -- you can just rent the bike.  It is also a good place to buy used bikes -- they usually sell them after about a year of usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They already rent out bikes in DC.  I went on a Bike the Sites tour for $20.00.  They have a location near the Old Post Office.  You don&#8217;t have to do the tour &#8212; you can just rent the bike.  It is also a good place to buy used bikes &#8212; they usually sell them after about a year of usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Shepherd Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shepherd Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikers can&#039;t have it both ways.  You want respect on the roads?  Follow the rules of the road!

If you blast through red lights, lane-split, speed down active sidewalks when it&#039;s convenient, and ride the wrong way down one-way streets, the clear message to drivers is &quot;just ignore me, I am operating in a completely different universe than you are.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikers can&#8217;t have it both ways.  You want respect on the roads?  Follow the rules of the road!</p>
<p>If you blast through red lights, lane-split, speed down active sidewalks when it&#8217;s convenient, and ride the wrong way down one-way streets, the clear message to drivers is &#8220;just ignore me, I am operating in a completely different universe than you are.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Wemple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Wemple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s something of a hierarchy among cyclists who break the law. First, there are those who are as observant as the most law-abiding motorist. I know maybe one or two of these people. Second are the cyclists who will stop at a red, check things out, and then break the law after making sure the coast is clear. Then there are the cyclists who treat red like yellow--they just tear right into the intersection in search of a seam between cars, and slide through. Within this subgroup, there are subsubgroups as well. The more extreme the behavior, obviously, the more hazard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s something of a hierarchy among cyclists who break the law. First, there are those who are as observant as the most law-abiding motorist. I know maybe one or two of these people. Second are the cyclists who will stop at a red, check things out, and then break the law after making sure the coast is clear. Then there are the cyclists who treat red like yellow&#8211;they just tear right into the intersection in search of a seam between cars, and slide through. Within this subgroup, there are subsubgroups as well. The more extreme the behavior, obviously, the more hazard.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikers break the law a lot more than cars do. I rarely see cars pull up to a red light, slow down for a second, and blow right through it. Bikers do it all the time.

I nearly ran one down a couple weeks ago. After slamming on my brakes to avoid shanking the guy, I yelled out that I&#039;d nearly killed him because he ran the red light. His response? The salute and an epithet. Nice. That was a traffic light. Stop signs? I simply assume they won&#039;t stop.

The irony is, it&#039;s the bikers who are going to lose in that game of chicken. If they (as a community) want respect then they need to deserve it. I understand that there are many bikers who do respect the rules of the road. But a very significant portion of them do not, enough that it&#039;s not just &quot;a few bad apples.&quot; It&#039;s the attitude in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikers break the law a lot more than cars do. I rarely see cars pull up to a red light, slow down for a second, and blow right through it. Bikers do it all the time.</p>
<p>I nearly ran one down a couple weeks ago. After slamming on my brakes to avoid shanking the guy, I yelled out that I&#8217;d nearly killed him because he ran the red light. His response? The salute and an epithet. Nice. That was a traffic light. Stop signs? I simply assume they won&#8217;t stop.</p>
<p>The irony is, it&#8217;s the bikers who are going to lose in that game of chicken. If they (as a community) want respect then they need to deserve it. I understand that there are many bikers who do respect the rules of the road. But a very significant portion of them do not, enough that it&#8217;s not just &#8220;a few bad apples.&#8221; It&#8217;s the attitude in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss K, yes, I responded to your point that bikers don&#039;t follow traffic regulations with the accusation &quot;neither do drivers.&quot;  I do find it interesting that you characterize my response as a statement that DC drivers are &quot;bad&quot; -- as if drivers who break the law aren&#039;t really breaking the law, they&#039;re just &quot;bad drivers.&quot;  Yet the bikers are riding around &quot;breaking the law&quot; making it &quot;stressful&quot; and &quot;unsafe&quot; for people driving cars (those poor angels).  Okay, even the most conscientious of drivers and bikers don&#039;t follow 100 percent of traffic regulations, and a select few of worst drivers and bikers make it significantly more stressful and unsafe for everyone to get around.  But, when you suggest that nothing is more frustrating than a few bad bikers on the road and that bad bikers are disproportionately the cause of stressful driving conditions downtown, I think that&#039;s crazy.  There should be more traffic enforcement in DC, period.  I&#039;d suggest starting with drivers on their cell phones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss K, yes, I responded to your point that bikers don&#8217;t follow traffic regulations with the accusation &#8220;neither do drivers.&#8221;  I do find it interesting that you characterize my response as a statement that DC drivers are &#8220;bad&#8221; &#8212; as if drivers who break the law aren&#8217;t really breaking the law, they&#8217;re just &#8220;bad drivers.&#8221;  Yet the bikers are riding around &#8220;breaking the law&#8221; making it &#8220;stressful&#8221; and &#8220;unsafe&#8221; for people driving cars (those poor angels).  Okay, even the most conscientious of drivers and bikers don&#8217;t follow 100 percent of traffic regulations, and a select few of worst drivers and bikers make it significantly more stressful and unsafe for everyone to get around.  But, when you suggest that nothing is more frustrating than a few bad bikers on the road and that bad bikers are disproportionately the cause of stressful driving conditions downtown, I think that&#8217;s crazy.  There should be more traffic enforcement in DC, period.  I&#8217;d suggest starting with drivers on their cell phones.</p>
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