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		<title>By: alaaro</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got an email from Ryan Youngman, CEO of Ellwoods, today. It is not a done deal, lease is not signed, but they continue to make progress toward one.</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2008/07/to-arms-citizens/#comment-124534</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that this discussion comes out of a conversation the PoP had with a local merchant last night, and it&#039;s fair to raise the discussion, one we have been having in ANC 4C for the past couple of months.

 The issue is fairly cut and dry. Current law prohibits new supermarkets in Ward 4 from obtaining new beer-and-wine, Class B, licenses.  The issue has nothing to do with restaurant, alcoholic beverage licenses, still available, and it&#039;s a seperate issue from the &quot;single sales&quot; law in place.

 The only current option available for Gary Cha, the owner of Yes! Organic Market, is for Mr. Cha to purchase a possibly available license from a convenience store owner elsewhere in Ward 4. The owner of that convenience store told Mr. Cha that he would have to buy the convenience store in order to get the accompanying license.  Mr. Cha said at June&#039;s ANC 4C meeting that he can&#039;t afford to do so.

 Safeway, meanwhile, has plans to build at new, &quot;lifestyle&quot; Safeway at its current location near the Georgia/Petworth Metro, and Safeway officials have made it clear that they want a beer-and-wine license for that location.

 As a large, international corporation, Safely can easily choose the possible option currently available -- buy and sell a convenience store elsewhere in the Ward in order to obtain a beer-and-wine license.  Ditto Giant, Whole Foods, Harris Teeter or other large regional, national or international chains.

 The current law, in effect, penalizes the little guy, Gary Cha and his Yes! Organic Market.  One argument is that the law shouldn&#039;t be changed to favor one business. The other side of that is that current law effectively only harms small, supermarket businesses, like Yes!, not the big ones.  The big, corporate folks have more resources , therefore more options.

 Sara Green, an ANC commissioner in Takoma, told me that she was one of the Takoma residents who favored the current law a few years back as a way of forcing the Piney Branch Safeway to become more responsive to the neighborhood.  The tactic apparently didn&#039;t work. The Piney Branch Safeway wasn&#039;t affected by the new law and has a beer-and-wine license.

 I recall from my own reading over the years and from conversations with my fellow ANC 4C Commissioner, Ron Bland, and others who have worked in supermarkets, the profit margin for supermarkets is slim.  Gary Cha has stated that a beer-and-wine license would constitute about 12% of his anticipated sales.

 Whether or not this is a deal-breaker remains to be seen.

 A note about the benefits of competition is relevant here.  The Safeway at 17th and Corcoran was long known by Dupont Circle residents as &quot;the Soviet Safeway.&quot;  Shelves were sometimes bare, produce lousy, items on the shelves out of date.  I vividly recall seeing an Albanian I knew who was then a waiter at Trio&#039;s Restaurant walking out of that Safeway in those days with a look of exasperation on his face. &quot;What&#039;s wrong?,&quot; I asked.  He replied, &quot;That Safeway reminds me of supermarkets in Albania.  I hated growing up under communism!&quot;  I informed he that the neighborhood referred to it as &quot;the Soviet Safeway.&quot;  &quot;No wonder!,&quot; he cried.

 When the Whole Foods was within a few weeks of opening on the 1400 block of P, a few blocks away, those of us who lived in the Dupont area noticed the very favorable changes at the old, Soviet Safeway. The produce started looking attractive and fresh.  Some of the cashiers who had been surly became friendlier and more helpful in tone.  (Many were always wonderful, and I still love a great woman who has been working there for decades nicknamed &quot;Tee.&quot;)  The store sparkled and looked cleaner.

 Competition.

 Meanwhile, according to longtime Logan Circle area resident, Jeff Coudriet, a former ABRA employee who works for Councilmember Jack Evans, even the liquor stores, now facing the competition of Whole Foods&#039; beer-and-wine sales, cleaned up their acts.  The sale of &quot;single&quot; wrapped in dark, plastic bags to street drunks became less of a problem.

 Competition.

 It&#039;s what many of us hope for from having Yes! Organic Market arrive on Georgia at Taylor.

 Neighborhood Development Company officials, the people building the structure at Georgia and Taylor, told me Gary Cha will need to decide soon whether or not to build out.

 The topping off ceremony for &quot;The Residences at Georgia,&quot; the building in which Mr. Cha hopes to be doing business with a new Yes!, is scheduled for Tuesday, September 3.

 The planned Yes! would be twice the size of the relatively new Yes! on 12th Street NE in Brookland, two blocks south of Michigan Avenue.

 Yes! always somehow sounds better than &quot;No!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that this discussion comes out of a conversation the PoP had with a local merchant last night, and it&#8217;s fair to raise the discussion, one we have been having in ANC 4C for the past couple of months.</p>
<p> The issue is fairly cut and dry. Current law prohibits new supermarkets in Ward 4 from obtaining new beer-and-wine, Class B, licenses.  The issue has nothing to do with restaurant, alcoholic beverage licenses, still available, and it&#8217;s a seperate issue from the &#8220;single sales&#8221; law in place.</p>
<p> The only current option available for Gary Cha, the owner of Yes! Organic Market, is for Mr. Cha to purchase a possibly available license from a convenience store owner elsewhere in Ward 4. The owner of that convenience store told Mr. Cha that he would have to buy the convenience store in order to get the accompanying license.  Mr. Cha said at June&#8217;s ANC 4C meeting that he can&#8217;t afford to do so.</p>
<p> Safeway, meanwhile, has plans to build at new, &#8220;lifestyle&#8221; Safeway at its current location near the Georgia/Petworth Metro, and Safeway officials have made it clear that they want a beer-and-wine license for that location.</p>
<p> As a large, international corporation, Safely can easily choose the possible option currently available &#8212; buy and sell a convenience store elsewhere in the Ward in order to obtain a beer-and-wine license.  Ditto Giant, Whole Foods, Harris Teeter or other large regional, national or international chains.</p>
<p> The current law, in effect, penalizes the little guy, Gary Cha and his Yes! Organic Market.  One argument is that the law shouldn&#8217;t be changed to favor one business. The other side of that is that current law effectively only harms small, supermarket businesses, like Yes!, not the big ones.  The big, corporate folks have more resources , therefore more options.</p>
<p> Sara Green, an ANC commissioner in Takoma, told me that she was one of the Takoma residents who favored the current law a few years back as a way of forcing the Piney Branch Safeway to become more responsive to the neighborhood.  The tactic apparently didn&#8217;t work. The Piney Branch Safeway wasn&#8217;t affected by the new law and has a beer-and-wine license.</p>
<p> I recall from my own reading over the years and from conversations with my fellow ANC 4C Commissioner, Ron Bland, and others who have worked in supermarkets, the profit margin for supermarkets is slim.  Gary Cha has stated that a beer-and-wine license would constitute about 12% of his anticipated sales.</p>
<p> Whether or not this is a deal-breaker remains to be seen.</p>
<p> A note about the benefits of competition is relevant here.  The Safeway at 17th and Corcoran was long known by Dupont Circle residents as &#8220;the Soviet Safeway.&#8221;  Shelves were sometimes bare, produce lousy, items on the shelves out of date.  I vividly recall seeing an Albanian I knew who was then a waiter at Trio&#8217;s Restaurant walking out of that Safeway in those days with a look of exasperation on his face. &#8220;What&#8217;s wrong?,&#8221; I asked.  He replied, &#8220;That Safeway reminds me of supermarkets in Albania.  I hated growing up under communism!&#8221;  I informed he that the neighborhood referred to it as &#8220;the Soviet Safeway.&#8221;  &#8220;No wonder!,&#8221; he cried.</p>
<p> When the Whole Foods was within a few weeks of opening on the 1400 block of P, a few blocks away, those of us who lived in the Dupont area noticed the very favorable changes at the old, Soviet Safeway. The produce started looking attractive and fresh.  Some of the cashiers who had been surly became friendlier and more helpful in tone.  (Many were always wonderful, and I still love a great woman who has been working there for decades nicknamed &#8220;Tee.&#8221;)  The store sparkled and looked cleaner.</p>
<p> Competition.</p>
<p> Meanwhile, according to longtime Logan Circle area resident, Jeff Coudriet, a former ABRA employee who works for Councilmember Jack Evans, even the liquor stores, now facing the competition of Whole Foods&#8217; beer-and-wine sales, cleaned up their acts.  The sale of &#8220;single&#8221; wrapped in dark, plastic bags to street drunks became less of a problem.</p>
<p> Competition.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s what many of us hope for from having Yes! Organic Market arrive on Georgia at Taylor.</p>
<p> Neighborhood Development Company officials, the people building the structure at Georgia and Taylor, told me Gary Cha will need to decide soon whether or not to build out.</p>
<p> The topping off ceremony for &#8220;The Residences at Georgia,&#8221; the building in which Mr. Cha hopes to be doing business with a new Yes!, is scheduled for Tuesday, September 3.</p>
<p> The planned Yes! would be twice the size of the relatively new Yes! on 12th Street NE in Brookland, two blocks south of Michigan Avenue.</p>
<p> Yes! always somehow sounds better than &#8220;No!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2008/07/to-arms-citizens/#comment-124533</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: saf responding to Steve...
 &quot;where it assumes that all problem drunks are black and all well-off drinkers are white.&quot;

 ... or that there are no white well-off people who are *also* problem drinkers.

 I also really like HB&#039;s point. Introducing fresh produce and also beer and wine to a neighborhood still seems like a net positive public health benefit, even taking into account the possible harm caused by the increased availability of alcohol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: saf responding to Steve&#8230;<br />
 &#8220;where it assumes that all problem drunks are black and all well-off drinkers are white.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8230; or that there are no white well-off people who are *also* problem drinkers.</p>
<p> I also really like HB&#8217;s point. Introducing fresh produce and also beer and wine to a neighborhood still seems like a net positive public health benefit, even taking into account the possible harm caused by the increased availability of alcohol.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2008/07/to-arms-citizens/#comment-124532</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ontarioroader - I can&#039;t imagine what you are talking about.  Spaghetti Garden is a fine dining establishment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ontarioroader &#8211; I can&#8217;t imagine what you are talking about.  Spaghetti Garden is a fine dining establishment!</p>
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		<title>By: GforGood</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2008/07/to-arms-citizens/#comment-124531</link>
		<dc:creator>GforGood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate, so you are saying that is not handled by providing the treatment because so many of the council members are black and because so many in the city are black? Sorry its late in the day with too little coffee - I am just a little confused how that has a lot to do with race as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate, so you are saying that is not handled by providing the treatment because so many of the council members are black and because so many in the city are black? Sorry its late in the day with too little coffee &#8211; I am just a little confused how that has a lot to do with race as such.</p>
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		<title>By: nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue has alot to do with race when you take into account how a majority black city handles the issue.  Alcohol is deemed the cause of many ills all along GA Ave.  Instead of providing treatment for the people or just telling them to STOP drinking, the city (majority black council) goes to no end to limit the supply of alcohol in the poor (read: black) wards.
 Just another example of how we have taken on being the victim as an excuse to avoid handling the true problem: lack of personal responsibility.

 The same can be said of the gun issue, fireworks issue, and the crime issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue has alot to do with race when you take into account how a majority black city handles the issue.  Alcohol is deemed the cause of many ills all along GA Ave.  Instead of providing treatment for the people or just telling them to STOP drinking, the city (majority black council) goes to no end to limit the supply of alcohol in the poor (read: black) wards.<br />
 Just another example of how we have taken on being the victim as an excuse to avoid handling the true problem: lack of personal responsibility.</p>
<p> The same can be said of the gun issue, fireworks issue, and the crime issue.</p>
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		<title>By: ZetteZelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZetteZelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also e-mailed.  Here&#039;s hoping we can make a difference--I&#039;ve been looking forward to Yes since before we moved into our house two years ago, and will be really upset if it doesn&#039;t come through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also e-mailed.  Here&#8217;s hoping we can make a difference&#8211;I&#8217;ve been looking forward to Yes since before we moved into our house two years ago, and will be really upset if it doesn&#8217;t come through.</p>
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		<title>By: Kustie the Klown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kustie the Klown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do the people who cry &quot;Racist!!!!&quot; at everyone over everything realize that by doing so they have erased any meaning at all from the word, while at the same time performing a huge disservice, to actual, real racism?

 Rhetorical question, of course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the people who cry &#8220;Racist!!!!&#8221; at everyone over everything realize that by doing so they have erased any meaning at all from the word, while at the same time performing a huge disservice, to actual, real racism?</p>
<p> Rhetorical question, of course&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MaggieRooHoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaggieRooHoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just sent muriel an email as well.  honestly- how is Ward 4 supposed to develop/grow commercially if we they just aren&#039;t giving any class b licenses?  I, personally, do not want the development that has started with DC USA and spread out to pass us by.  I was (am?) looking forward to the Yes! Organic market being 2 blocks from my house- so great, so convenient.  And what would go into that space in its absence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just sent muriel an email as well.  honestly- how is Ward 4 supposed to develop/grow commercially if we they just aren&#8217;t giving any class b licenses?  I, personally, do not want the development that has started with DC USA and spread out to pass us by.  I was (am?) looking forward to the Yes! Organic market being 2 blocks from my house- so great, so convenient.  And what would go into that space in its absence?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, I don&#039;t deny white or well off folks can&#039;t be drunks.  I do argue that I don&#039;t observe them on the streets of Petworth with brownpaper bags.  Do you? My comment is based on observation and not racial prejudice.  I am sure that there is a portion of the hippster yuppie crowd buying the upscale beer and wine at Whole Foods that are alcoholocs.  I just don&#039;t see them walking around the neighboorhoods with open containers, peeing in parks and littering.  If I did I would certainly lump them into the problem and oppose a license for the YES.  I believe that the reason for the moratorium on liquor licenses in ward 4 to include grocerys is based on this problem and the fact that there are many small grocery bodegas that cater to this clientell by selling singles.  If we want to target all alcoholics, lets just dust off the 18th amendment and go dry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, I don&#8217;t deny white or well off folks can&#8217;t be drunks.  I do argue that I don&#8217;t observe them on the streets of Petworth with brownpaper bags.  Do you? My comment is based on observation and not racial prejudice.  I am sure that there is a portion of the hippster yuppie crowd buying the upscale beer and wine at Whole Foods that are alcoholocs.  I just don&#8217;t see them walking around the neighboorhoods with open containers, peeing in parks and littering.  If I did I would certainly lump them into the problem and oppose a license for the YES.  I believe that the reason for the moratorium on liquor licenses in ward 4 to include grocerys is based on this problem and the fact that there are many small grocery bodegas that cater to this clientell by selling singles.  If we want to target all alcoholics, lets just dust off the 18th amendment and go dry.</p>
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