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		<title>By: Anon.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 01:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it by accident or design that no buildings in either MD or VA are taller that the Washington Monument?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it by accident or design that no buildings in either MD or VA are taller that the Washington Monument?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I used to be a fan of DC having taller buildings. That was until September 11th.  The amount of time it takes to get down 7 flights of steps during a fire drill scares me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I used to be a fan of DC having taller buildings. That was until September 11th.  The amount of time it takes to get down 7 flights of steps during a fire drill scares me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree withOdentex, in Texas the motto is &quot;Don&#039;t mess with Texas&quot; as I am familiar with San Antone and the Missions which helped Texas become the great state Texas is today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree withOdentex, in Texas the motto is &#8220;Don&#8217;t mess with Texas&#8221; as I am familiar with San Antone and the Missions which helped Texas become the great state Texas is today.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Loos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Loos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be a strong supporter of lifting the height restriction.  Higher buildings = more density = smart growth and all that jazz.  I wrote a couple of papers on it my first semester of grad school, and even worked out a formula to predict the average height each neighbohrood in DC would be with no restriction, using real estate prices. (If you&#039;re curious, Downtown buildings would average about 19 stories.)

Two years and 1 urban planning degree later, I&#039;ve changed my mind.  The height restriction is one of the reasons DC is so walkable.  In other American cities (not counting New York, which is clearly an outlier) you get a lot of haphazard development: skyscraper, parking lot, skyscraper, lowrise, parking lot, etc.  Here in DC, its different. Developers can&#039;t build high, so they build MORE.  There are very few vacant lots left in the city, which makes for a more interesting, walkable city.

When ALL the vacant lots are developed and we&#039;re out of space, lets revisit the issue.  Maybe the height restriction could be restricted in selected parts of the city on the outskirts like Anacostia, New York Ave NE, or Friendship Heights.  For now though, I&#039;m very happy with the city as it is.  Let Rosslyn have the skyscrapers...they&#039;re on their way already anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be a strong supporter of lifting the height restriction.  Higher buildings = more density = smart growth and all that jazz.  I wrote a couple of papers on it my first semester of grad school, and even worked out a formula to predict the average height each neighbohrood in DC would be with no restriction, using real estate prices. (If you&#8217;re curious, Downtown buildings would average about 19 stories.)</p>
<p>Two years and 1 urban planning degree later, I&#8217;ve changed my mind.  The height restriction is one of the reasons DC is so walkable.  In other American cities (not counting New York, which is clearly an outlier) you get a lot of haphazard development: skyscraper, parking lot, skyscraper, lowrise, parking lot, etc.  Here in DC, its different. Developers can&#8217;t build high, so they build MORE.  There are very few vacant lots left in the city, which makes for a more interesting, walkable city.</p>
<p>When ALL the vacant lots are developed and we&#8217;re out of space, lets revisit the issue.  Maybe the height restriction could be restricted in selected parts of the city on the outskirts like Anacostia, New York Ave NE, or Friendship Heights.  For now though, I&#8217;m very happy with the city as it is.  Let Rosslyn have the skyscrapers&#8230;they&#8217;re on their way already anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Odentex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Odentex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neener:  Didn&#039;t the Know-Nothings take a marble slab that was sent by the Pope (for use in construction) and pitch into the Potomac in protest?

Take that papists!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neener:  Didn&#8217;t the Know-Nothings take a marble slab that was sent by the Pope (for use in construction) and pitch into the Potomac in protest?</p>
<p>Take that papists!</p>
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		<title>By: Neener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically the Know-Nothings gang/political cult &quot;owned&quot; the monument during the first phase of construction.  Construction of the monument was stopped at least 5 years before the Civil War started.

The civil war, of course, had to be over before they could restart it, but it was not the reason it stopped.  The reason was that it was being managed by a quasi-skinhead group that was partially profiled in the film Gangs of New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically the Know-Nothings gang/political cult &#8220;owned&#8221; the monument during the first phase of construction.  Construction of the monument was stopped at least 5 years before the Civil War started.</p>
<p>The civil war, of course, had to be over before they could restart it, but it was not the reason it stopped.  The reason was that it was being managed by a quasi-skinhead group that was partially profiled in the film Gangs of New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Odentex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Odentex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed: I&#039;m well aware that the War of Northern Aggression halted some of the North&#039;s vanity projects, regardless, Texans with any sense wouldn&#039;t have ventured east of the Sabine under any conditions, not even to help hapless yankees build a (short) monument to a Virginian slave owner. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed: I&#8217;m well aware that the War of Northern Aggression halted some of the North&#8217;s vanity projects, regardless, Texans with any sense wouldn&#8217;t have ventured east of the Sabine under any conditions, not even to help hapless yankees build a (short) monument to a Virginian slave owner. <img src='http://www.princeofpetworth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: EdTheRed</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdTheRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Odentex:  The Washington Monument is made of mismatched stone because, well, there was a small interruption between 1861 and 1865, after which stone from the original quarry was unavailable.  Lazy construction workers - couldn&#039;t even build a monument during a little civil war, huh?  Of course, if the Texans hadn&#039;t been busy fighting against the Union, maybe they could&#039;ve helped git &#039;er done on time and underbudget... (I keed, I keed)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Odentex:  The Washington Monument is made of mismatched stone because, well, there was a small interruption between 1861 and 1865, after which stone from the original quarry was unavailable.  Lazy construction workers &#8211; couldn&#8217;t even build a monument during a little civil war, huh?  Of course, if the Texans hadn&#8217;t been busy fighting against the Union, maybe they could&#8217;ve helped git &#8216;er done on time and underbudget&#8230; (I keed, I keed)</p>
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		<title>By: Neener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social Sustainability is an opinion and nothing more.

Having volunteered heavily in a PTA there&#039;s a HUGE difference between what different classes of people find sustainable.

For instance, I do not believe that single adult me should be allowed to loiter on an elementary school playground drinking and selling drugs. I PRESUMED that no one would think that would be ok.  The principal of that elementary school DISAGREED and told me that those people were members of the community and deserved to have a place to hang out.

I promise you that comment from the principal is 100% true.

I reported this to the Mayor and the police and 6 months later there were new lights and no drug dealers on the property.

To this principal, having space for adult me was &quot;sustainability&quot; to people who were not friends with Mayor Barry, that&#039;s &quot;criminal element that must be removed from the property.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social Sustainability is an opinion and nothing more.</p>
<p>Having volunteered heavily in a PTA there&#8217;s a HUGE difference between what different classes of people find sustainable.</p>
<p>For instance, I do not believe that single adult me should be allowed to loiter on an elementary school playground drinking and selling drugs. I PRESUMED that no one would think that would be ok.  The principal of that elementary school DISAGREED and told me that those people were members of the community and deserved to have a place to hang out.</p>
<p>I promise you that comment from the principal is 100% true.</p>
<p>I reported this to the Mayor and the police and 6 months later there were new lights and no drug dealers on the property.</p>
<p>To this principal, having space for adult me was &#8220;sustainability&#8221; to people who were not friends with Mayor Barry, that&#8217;s &#8220;criminal element that must be removed from the property.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Larchie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, one more thing to consider is that there are break points that correlate number of stories and construction methods (and thus costs).

For a 4 story building and under, you can build the entire structure out of wood (called &quot;stick built&quot;).  Above that, you&#039;re talking concrete and steel - way more expensive.  So to a builder that is allowed 5 stories, it may not be worth it to go for that one extra story.  If he&#039;s going to switch to concrete and steel, then he&#039;s going to want 8 or 10 stories to make it worth the extra construction cost.

Above about 10 or 12 stories, the elevator technology changes and again makes going for that 13th story way more expensive.  It may not be worth going above 12 stories unless you can actually get many more.

For areas of the city already above 10 or 12 stories, no height will be left on the table, since they are already past that construction method break point.  But in other lower, more residential areas, a height limit change might not see much results unless it allows for some drastic height increases.

Sorry for writing a novel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one more thing to consider is that there are break points that correlate number of stories and construction methods (and thus costs).</p>
<p>For a 4 story building and under, you can build the entire structure out of wood (called &#8220;stick built&#8221;).  Above that, you&#8217;re talking concrete and steel &#8211; way more expensive.  So to a builder that is allowed 5 stories, it may not be worth it to go for that one extra story.  If he&#8217;s going to switch to concrete and steel, then he&#8217;s going to want 8 or 10 stories to make it worth the extra construction cost.</p>
<p>Above about 10 or 12 stories, the elevator technology changes and again makes going for that 13th story way more expensive.  It may not be worth going above 12 stories unless you can actually get many more.</p>
<p>For areas of the city already above 10 or 12 stories, no height will be left on the table, since they are already past that construction method break point.  But in other lower, more residential areas, a height limit change might not see much results unless it allows for some drastic height increases.</p>
<p>Sorry for writing a novel!</p>
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