In real life, hipchickindc is licensed as a real estate broker in the District of Columbia and Virginia, and as a real estate salesperson in Maryland. Unless otherwise noted, the source of information is Metropolitan Regional Information Systems (MRIS), which is the local multiple listing system. Information is deemed reliable but not guaranteed.
It might seem a bit anticlimactic to be talking 2008 market numbers in February. For what it’s worth, Metropolitan Regional Information Systems (MRIS) unceremoniously rolled the official numbers out last week. (Agents had until the end of January to update all 2008 listing information, hence the timing). I figured the numbers would still be of interest, so here they are.
First of all, let’s be clear at what we’re looking at. This is Pure DC, people. Most media sources that describe the “Washington DC Metropolitan Area Real Estate Market” are giving you DC, Loudon County, Gaithersburg, with the kitchen sink thrown in, too. Right here we are talking only District of Columbia and all District of Columbia.
You’ve heard, “Location.Location.Location.” The second rule of real estate is that all markets are local. Of course, we could get intensely specific and look at the numerous micro markets within the District. Intuitively, most people get that the Petworth market is different from Georgetown. For a moment, however, let’s step back and look at the overall performance of the residential real estate market for DC as a whole.
Not surprisingly, there was an almost 25% reduction in the dollar volume of settled sales from 2007 to 2008. The total dollar volume of sales declined from $3,988,755,576. to $3,001,913,863. Additionally, the number of units sold (a whole house equals a unit, as does a condo or co-op unit) decreased from 7,422 in 2007 to 5,563 in 2008. That is a 25.05% drop. Average days on market went up from 69 in 2007, to 80 in 2008. Continues after the jump.
What did that mean for prices? Given that we saw a tightening, rather than the glut of inventory that is plaguing many areas outside the Beltway, prices held their own. The average sold price of a DC property actually went UP, a smidge of .41% up, but still, up! In 2007, an average transaction in DC was $537,423., while in 2008, it was $539,621. The median price showed a small lag, at $409,000. for 2007. and $399,990. for 2008. Buyers were able to negotiate, but not as outrageously as one might have thought. The average Sale Price to List Price ratio for 2007 was 95.15%, while in 2008, it moved to 93.26%.
One other piece of information I feel is important to point out is the increase of the use of FHA loan products. In 2007, only 57 real estate transactions in DC involved a loan product backed by the Federal Housing Administration. In 2008, that number rose to 754. I expect that in 2009, that number will rise sharply again.
I tried dusting off my crystal ball, but it doesn’t seem to be charged up right now. I’ll go out on a limb, though, and predict that the number of real estate transactions in DC for 2009 will see an uptick. My sense is that people are starting to realize that if they try and wait for “the bottom”, they’ll miss it. At the same time, I do not expect to see an increase in prices any time soon. To end on a positive note, I’ll say that I believe that overall, the Washington, DC real estate market is quite stable.
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Here is a great article from the Atlantic talking about how the rcession will change America. It mentions DC specifically.
How the Crash Will Reshape America
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200903/meltdown-geography
Thanks for the information. Nice to finally hear something about DC proper without being lumped together with the rest of the region. Also very nice to hear that overall things didn’t go completely in the crapper as conventional wisdom was quick to assume. Very nice indeed.
Do they have breakouts by quarter? Although total year averages are nice, I’d like to see how the numbers were trending from Jan. to Dec. 2008 was a long year, and I would want to see Q4 numbers specifically before I made any predictions about 2009.
I can probably go back and do that, but I can tell you immediately and anectdotally from my own business experience and those of my office colleagues that our numbers are up since November 2008.
As I am looking to buy, I am more than slightly biased in wanted prices to go down, but at the same time realistic that DC has held up better than most areas.
That said, as 2008 progressed, the state of the economy changed and it is harder to get loans now compared to a year ago. There was also an article in the examiner about ALT-A loans due to reset this year (see link).
Based on January 09 MRIS data, there is a 15.66 month inventory of condos listed and 11.94 month’s supply for homes. A 6 month supply is ideal, and more condos are coming online. Base on January numbers, to me it looked like the prices for smaller homes (which are what I’m looking at) are dropping. Down over 30% YoY.
But that number does not take into account the location in the district, and I can only surmise that the desirable areas have maintained stability. I don’t expect prices to drop a lot in DC, but I do agree that they aren’t going back up, at least at the rate we saw earlier this decade.
Istopor, you can look up monthly (and from that you can kind of put quarterly together) stats here: http://www.mris.com/reports/stats/monthly_reti.cfm
Another interesting number to watch is mortgage purchase application. The Mortgage Bankers Association tracks these: http://www.mortgagebankers.org/NewsandMedia/PressCenter/67707.htm
I have clients getting fixed rates of less that 5%.
I’m even more optimistic for DC after it recently leapfrogged London and New York as “the world’s best place for real estate investment,” according to Forbes’ Magazine.
The Forbes article: http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/21/investment-obama-realestate-forbeslife-cx_mw_0121realestate.html
hipchickindc…any idea how much of a bath someone would take if they bought in 2005 and tried to sell now. Assume improvements had been made to the house (ie new kitchen and bath.)
hipchickindc – Is there any way to see detailed listings for properties that have recently sold? I checked Redfin but the listing is just a summary. Thanks!
Steve, it really depends on the individual property. I’d say fee simple (houses) are doing much better in respect to condos purchased in ’05, but location is a huge factor.
geep, Zillow updates their property sales info but it might be once the property is recorded and I don’t know how complete the data is, especially whether Seller subsidies are reported.
Kevin Wood was/is (I might have missed the last one) doing a monthly settled sales report here on PoP and I believe is open to requests to include specific zip codes. I’ve been doing a follow up once a week for Good Deal or Not (GDoN) posts, typically on Fridays.
http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/02/january-homecondo-sales/
I like http://www.sawbuckrealty.com to keep an eye on properties that are under contract or have recently sold (it also has current listings and you can sort similarly to redfin). Many of the listings have the virtual tour photos you’ll find on redfin, etc.
I would like to just point out, that if someone where to buy my house
http://www.homevisit.com/tour/vtour.asp?id=36186
it would make me happy
mjbrox – what a beautiful home.
Been in mjbrox’s home and can say firsthand that it is indeed gorgeous!
mjbrox how far you willing to come down? Im not going a penny over 500k to be east of 11th st.
Hipchick, I realize there’s a lot of information added in the comments, but we’d appreciate it if you could link to your sources in the main blog. It lets us view it in Google Reader, and is a best practice for blogging.
Annonymous at 2:16
Why do you say that?
Please show me a house that has the bed/baths and build quality of my house any where close to $525k east or west of 11th.
Sorry, John, I’m not quite sure what you mean. (FWIW, I don’t post directly to the blog as it goes through our esteemed Editor-in-Chief, The Prince).
BTW Annonymous at 2:16
I realize that my house is not for everyone. It is very open and some people do not like that. Also, it is very big, whiich can be a turn off for some people as well.
But I love it and I am going to miss it.
mjbrox- great house. although you do have to admit it may be a little over improved for the neighborhood. also, i have to take a bit of an exception with this tidbit “Walk to Petworth Metro: about 1/2 mile.” That is a very liberal use of “about.”
mjbrox – don’t let them get you down, there are more than enough comps to justify your price.
Take5, in Jan 2009, 2 homes in 20011 sold for over $500k (compared to 45 on the market). In Dec 2008 it was 5/58. Mjbrox’s house is nice, but those are some tough odds.
LOL
I like that phrase, a little over improved
anon4, i could not agree more, it is tough odds, but I think we can do it.
and what about the borderline unethical calling a mile “about 1/2 mile?”
mjbrox, in order to beat those odds I think yours would have to be one of the best houses in your zip code. And despite its square feet and renovation, I doubt yours is that when it’s almost 1 mile from the Metrol
RD, I totally agree with that point too. These days with the Internets and these fancy Google Maps widgets, it’s easy for buyers to look up that information themselves, and when they find it contradicts the listing, they’re gonna ask themselves “with what other things are they being ‘liberal’ with the truth”
Sorry to pile on, mjbrox, but you did kinda open yourself up to it
I am going to call my agent and have him fix that
my bike computer shows .75 miles
“I think yours would have to be one of the best houses in your zip code. And despite its square feet and renovation, I doubt yours is that when it’s almost 1 mile from the Metrol”
That is a bit of a large leap, but I understand what you are saying.
MJ: It’s great that you kept the period wood as much as you did. Even though I’m one of “those” people that hates open plans on these rowhouses, I like yours better than 99% I’ve seen.
If it’s slow you might consider pulling up the berber in the basement. I think even a painted or finished cement is more appealing than a berber wall to wall. Something about berber just screams “contractor flip” along with the “boob” dome light fixtures.
Odentex, I always thought about putting tile down.
MJ: We have light colored ceramic tile in our basement and it makes a difference – especially with the low ceiling. It makes it seem somehow taller and less claustrophobic. Can’t explain it.
Also, I live very close to Varnum and Third and if I were going to ride the green line it is very walkable to Georgia Ave. (whether it’s .75 miles, a league, two parsecs or whatever). It takes all of 15 minutes – in cowboy boots. Hell, even that lazy boy PoP walks to the train and he ain’t but two blocks closer cross Upshur.
MJ, I’m gonna jump on the challenge you issued to RD with this house:
http://franklymls.com/DC6842346
4/3, renovated, 13th and Taylor, $499k.
This house at 322 Webster is probably an even better example… I’m actually puzzled as to why it hasn’t sold.
sorry, here’s the link.
http://franklymls.com/DC6828023
I haven’t been in the Webster house, but I have been in the 13th St one. The Brox house is significantly larger and a much higher quality renovation. (I am NOT the listing agent, by the way).
Tile feels cold to some people, so I’m not sure it’s an improvement over CLEAN (and not unravelling) berber.
322 Webster is a weird renovation. Some nice stuff, but no central air. The outside doesn’t look like they touched it-
Are these numbers with all the errors removed? There are a few extreme errors in the numbers that you might be looking at (for example, one home was listed as being sold at $72,059,235–$72m–when it should have been a $720,592.35 sale). This website does a really good job of analysis on local housing prices. Far and away the best I’ve seen:
http://www.dchousingprices.com/
There is really no need to compete, IMO.
2009 is the calm before the second storm. 2008 was the spike of subprime resets. The wave of Alt-A and option adjustable rate resets won’t spike until 2011 and is bigger than the wave of sub-prime mortgages.
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2007/10/imf-mortgage-reset-chart.html
Don’t be a knife catcher. DC zoning cases have gone from 40 a month to 7. The monthly HPRB meeting has gone from 2 days worth of cases to a 1/2 day of cases.
No matter your preference, we homeowners and renters should be hoping he gets his price. It’s equally good for all of us. The city as well.
Instead of pulling up the berber and putting down tile, perhaps you could try pergo or some type of laminate. Put if you do go with tile pick a warm inviting color. I agree with the other posters berber is cheap and does not feel soft or plush.
Anon4: The Webster house is a pretty cheap reno. Also, frankly, that block of Webster and the block of 13th (right across from the high school) are not as nice as the 100-200 block of Varnum. MJ’s block is shorter, one-way (quieter), and borders right on a wooded part of the Soldier’s home. It’s on a gentle incline with plenty of trees. Petworth, like many neighborhoods here and elsewhere, is block by block, house by house. If you had bothered to walk Varnum and Webster you might have figured this out. Perhaps MJ is a little hopeful in his price, but not as much as you might think.
Hipchick: I understand you’re a professional, but wall-to-wall berber is ALWAYS a bad sign. Not only is it ugly and cheap looking, causing one to wonder what else has been scrimped on in the reno, but you also know that it is often used to cover a multitude of sins, some of them mortal. In a buyer’s market, assuming the cost makes sense, the berber carpet should go.
Who is MJ hoping to sell to with this vibrantly colored open plan? Not the sort of McFamily that would squeal with glee to see wall-to-wall carpet, a “home theater”, and a rumpus room stuffed into a 4000′ sq ft drafty-stuccoed-chicken-coop in Fairfax.
Berber screams “the contractor spent too much on beer for the crew and blow for himself” or “here, you feckless consuming dumbass, inhale these synthetic carpet fumes whilst you watch endless episodes of ‘American Idol’ with your ignorant and ugly spawn.”
Berber is like so many other “features”: cheapo birch-veneered cabinets hung un-plumb and un-true with spindly hinges made from tinfoil, haphazardly blown “texture” on the damp drywall, the same $19 two-bulb “bronze” pot-metal dome light fixture (with frosted glass!) in *every* *fricken* *room* (buy 10, get two free!), lightly sprayed on beige latex, plastic chair rail and “crown” molding only Leona Helmsley could love, and, most unforgivable of all, the faux-three panel interior door made from “realistically grained” fiberglass, recycled Dr. Pepper bottle caps, and Jimmy Hoffa’s polyester suit – always “mounted”, of course, with the cheapest handles available, and always “mounted” so that it (a) will not latch; (b) will not clear the door jamb; or (c) so that it will swing wide at inopportune times revealing that daddy likes mommy’s undies just a bit too much.
Anyone who has spent more than a day touring renovated houses knows what I mean. These sorts of things have a definite “stink” to them that, even if you’re a rube from fly-over country who can’t change a lightbulb and pees his or her pants when a man or woman wearing a tool belt arrives to impart mysterious working class wisdom (usually costing $1200, the defacto rube “squeal point”) — even if you are the Yaliest, Havard-glee-cluby, summering-in-Newport, silver-spoon-fed dope you can still feel it in your bones that things just ain’t right.
If things are slow on the sales front MJ needs to consider ripping it up.
All I’m sayin’.
(Sorry MJ).
I’m telling all my clients to go with orange shag in the basement and fake wood panelling. I think it’s coming back.
HipChick: You (we) laugh, but at some point in the not too distant future there will be thousands of Salvadorans busily stretching oceans of gag-inducing orange heinousness over Pergo floors and wheeling away boulder-sized stainless fridges (covered with fingerprints) to be replaced by pea-green and yellow kitchen accouterments to keep pesto, prosecco, and pizza at the appropriate temperature.
Personally I miss wall-to-wall, when your drunk and fall down on the floor a lot it’s much more comfortable (and absorbent).
I’d like to see basement bars come back. I’ve had clients ooh and aww over a couple lately. The best are totally retro with chrome bar stools, knotty pine, and Hawaiian Palm Tree decor, and, of course, asbestos nine by nines.
Eh, to each is own as far as berber carpet goes. Some people like carpet and some people hate it. When I bought my house in Petworth, I ripped out the basement carpet and installed Pergo floors, so I could have the look of hardwood, which you usually cannot installed in a basement due to moisture problems. My friends who paid $1 million for a rowhouse in Cleveland Park ripped out the Pergo floors in their basement to install berber carpet.
Re: home prices in Petworth, you don’t see that many renovated houses in Petworth, so Anon4′s comment “in Jan 2009, 2 homes in 20011 sold for over $500k (compared to 45 on the market). In Dec 2008 it was 5/58. Mjbrox’s house is nice, but those are some tough odds.”—well Mjbrox’s house is also nicer than 90% of the homes on the market.
I think in terms of selling the house for the right price, having it on the market all winter isn’t so great. Plus with the Yes Organic Market and Park Place almost but not yet completed, you’re just missing out on some of the potential stronger selling points. If I look into my crystal ball…I’d bet the house sells for 510K in April.
Odentex,
Your distaste for berber is very complex and I find it interesting.
But honestly, basement flooring is tough.
- Berber looks cheap (according to you)
- Tile is cold
- Wood is a bad idea in basements
- And pergo is…….well that is all I will say about that
- Bare concrete looks incomplete
For what it is worth, I am not taking offense to any of the posts. In fact I love the feedback.
Like every house in Petworth, my house is very unique and It will take the right person to fall in love with it.
Odentex,
Your distaste for berber is very complex and I find it interesting.
But honestly, basement flooring is tough.
- Berber looks cheap (according to you)
- Tile is cold
- Wood is a bad idea in basements
- And pergo is…….well that is all I will say about that
- Bare concrete looks incomplete
For what it is worth, I am not taking offense to any of the posts. In fact I love the feedback.
Like every house in Petworth, my house is very unique and It will take the right person to fall in love with it.
PetworthRes, I agree with you that mjbrox’s house is nicer than 90% of the homes on the market in his zip code. But I don’t think it follows that it’s more desirable than 90% of homes given the location. Keep in mind 20011 includes Crestwood and 16th St Heights which are neighborhoods that a lot of people prefer to a-mile-from-the-Metro Petworth.
I second the vote for shag carpeting.
anon4, believe me, I’ve been scouring the market for clients. There is nothing like the Brox house in Crestwood or 16th St Hts in the low $500′s. I wish there were. I’d have sold two more houses last week.
Anon4: You just don’t know what you are talking about. You complain about, at best, a 15 minute walk to the metro and then suggest that 16th Street Heights, even further away, is “more desirable” for those too feeble to walk from Varnum?
Lay off the airplane glue.
hipchick, I’d be surprised if there were. My point was just that high-end sales are very slow compared to the high-end inventory available in 20011 which is a zipcode that also includes more desirable locations.
I just think if you’re a buyer with $500k+ to spend you have a lot of negotiating power (and/or the ability to simply wait) with the ratio of recent sales to houses on the market. There are certainly a lot of worse deals out there and I wasn’t able to find an unequivocally better one — i.e. a house that’s better on at least 1 of price, quality, and location without being worse on any of those — but I think there are houses that strike a better balance of those trade-offfs.
hipchick, I’d be surprised if there were. My point was just that high-end sales are very slow compared to the high-end inventory available in 20011 which is a zipcode that also includes more desirable locations.
I just think if you’re a buyer with $500k+ to spend you have a lot of negotiating power (and/or the ability to simply wait) with the ratio of recent sales to houses on the market. There are certainly a lot of worse deals out there and I wasn’t able to find an unequivocally better one — i.e. a house that’s better on at least 1 of price, quality, and location without being worse on any of those — but I think there are houses that strike a better balance of those trade-offs.
Oden, 14th & 16th St have better bus options for those who can’t or prefer not to walk very far. They’re also quieter and closer to Rock Creek Park.
anon4: The part of PW that MJ lives plenty quiet (except on the 4th of July) and his house is STEPS from the H8 and 60 buses (corner of Varnum and Rock Creek) that’ll take you to Ft. Totten or Brookland on the Red Line, 5 minutes to the Georgia Ave. station, or all the way to Mt. P on the H8. If that’s not good enough you can walk two blocks to catch the 64. From 16th Street you’ve got to transfer off the S line to get to a metro station or ride all the way down to McPherson Square downtown (about 25 minutes) and transfer AGAIN to get to the red line. If you want to get on the green line one bus you can transfer to from the S is the H8 — the very same bus (coming the other way) that stops outside of MJ’s FRONT DOOR ever 20 minutes.
Have you ever even been on the 100 block of Varnum?
16th is FURTHER away, not closer, to transport options especially metro. Look at a map.
http://www.wmata.com/pdfs/bus/DC.pdf
You simply have no idea what you are talking about.