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	<title>Comments on: An Update On Columbia Heights Retail/Restaurants/Etc. &#8211; Good News and Bad News Edition</title>
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		<title>By: am2o</title>
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		<dc:creator>am2o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we leave out the U St. comparison?  CH is eight years behind U st. for several reasons: The CH Metro opened in &#039;99, as opposed to U St. &#039;91; Project like enclaves (Columbia Heights Village, cough, cough..)

I had friends who bought near the U St Metro in the early 90&#039;s: Yes, they had to be careful how they walked home. It took several years for the U St. Corridor to become more used. Perhaps the Reves Center is a factor, but I doubt it.  A larger factor seemed to be the 9:30 club moving to 815 V St, from their old digs downtown.

The thing that anchored U St. on the east side is the 17th St. Corridor (Dupont East), and the 18th St. corridor (Adams-Morgan). As people got pushed out of Dupont (due to pricing), they moved nearby: First East, then North-East.  The East end of U St (At 18th) had a few stores and resturants.

So, on the East of U, we have the bottom of Adams Morgan.  On the West of U, the 9:30 club created a draw of dives (Velvet Lounge?) betwen 9:30 and the Subway.  Over towards 11th, little Ethopia moved in. The rest is basically infill, from Chi-Cha over.  You will notice, 14th St near U sucked for years, and really only got &quot;better&quot; when Busboys and cardboard moved in.

Give it time. The Columbia Heights Corridor (by Irving) will get better, and really has.  In another eight years I&#039;m sure it will be much nicer, and all the storefronts will be occupied. Perhaps not with chi-chi coffee within 150 yards of Starbucks, but occupied.

This corridor is 8 years behind U St.  More important is the former Nemiah Shopping Plaza, and what happens if Bed Bath &amp; Baloney goes out of business.

my $25</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we leave out the U St. comparison?  CH is eight years behind U st. for several reasons: The CH Metro opened in &#8216;99, as opposed to U St. &#8216;91; Project like enclaves (Columbia Heights Village, cough, cough..)</p>
<p>I had friends who bought near the U St Metro in the early 90&#8217;s: Yes, they had to be careful how they walked home. It took several years for the U St. Corridor to become more used. Perhaps the Reves Center is a factor, but I doubt it.  A larger factor seemed to be the 9:30 club moving to 815 V St, from their old digs downtown.</p>
<p>The thing that anchored U St. on the east side is the 17th St. Corridor (Dupont East), and the 18th St. corridor (Adams-Morgan). As people got pushed out of Dupont (due to pricing), they moved nearby: First East, then North-East.  The East end of U St (At 18th) had a few stores and resturants.</p>
<p>So, on the East of U, we have the bottom of Adams Morgan.  On the West of U, the 9:30 club created a draw of dives (Velvet Lounge?) betwen 9:30 and the Subway.  Over towards 11th, little Ethopia moved in. The rest is basically infill, from Chi-Cha over.  You will notice, 14th St near U sucked for years, and really only got &#8220;better&#8221; when Busboys and cardboard moved in.</p>
<p>Give it time. The Columbia Heights Corridor (by Irving) will get better, and really has.  In another eight years I&#8217;m sure it will be much nicer, and all the storefronts will be occupied. Perhaps not with chi-chi coffee within 150 yards of Starbucks, but occupied.</p>
<p>This corridor is 8 years behind U St.  More important is the former Nemiah Shopping Plaza, and what happens if Bed Bath &amp; Baloney goes out of business.</p>
<p>my $25</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i doubt we could lure a theater to the neighborhood. but. the Estreet theater is essentially in what would be the parking garage of that building.  being that the DCusa lot is under used perhaps a section of it could be put to use as a small two screen theater?  also good retail the likes of which we tried to get but could not.  Urban Outfitters and REI. would have made the neighborhood more of a destination. offices or a hotel would certainly help but I dont think there is anywhere to put them now. I think at this point is that the neighborhoods rise is a sure thing. the infrastructure is there.  but for those who thought as soon as the mortar on these buildings dried the neighborhood would jump to life with high end sit down dining.  you will be waiting another decade for columbia heights to really come into its own.  until then we really are just the Target neighborhood.  but who cares.  its got everything we need.  social, comonwealth, petes.  what more could you ask for. arent we just getting greedy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i doubt we could lure a theater to the neighborhood. but. the Estreet theater is essentially in what would be the parking garage of that building.  being that the DCusa lot is under used perhaps a section of it could be put to use as a small two screen theater?  also good retail the likes of which we tried to get but could not.  Urban Outfitters and REI. would have made the neighborhood more of a destination. offices or a hotel would certainly help but I dont think there is anywhere to put them now. I think at this point is that the neighborhoods rise is a sure thing. the infrastructure is there.  but for those who thought as soon as the mortar on these buildings dried the neighborhood would jump to life with high end sit down dining.  you will be waiting another decade for columbia heights to really come into its own.  until then we really are just the Target neighborhood.  but who cares.  its got everything we need.  social, comonwealth, petes.  what more could you ask for. arent we just getting greedy?</p>
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		<title>By: New2CH</title>
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		<dc:creator>New2CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t think there is any room for a movie theater in there.  Plus, there is already the very small Gala hispanic theater there.

One thing that is forgotten in the &quot;organic growth&quot; discussion / assumptions is that CH has some serious limitations that U Street did not.  U Street first of all had (one of Barry&#039;s few positive legacies) the Reeves Center as an anchor plus some great infrastructure / historic places like the Atlas Theater, Ben&#039;s Chili Bowl, etc.  It got a head start on CH due to the metro going in there a few years earlier.  It is right between Logan and Dupont, so the &quot;organic&quot; growth naturally flowed outword from those neighborhoods, unlike in C.H.  And U Street, perhaps most importantly, did not have the biggest concentration of section 8 housing (none of which has any retail) making a large stretch of 14th street impossible / inhospitable for this so-called &quot;organic&quot; growth.  Without some centralized planning / pushing for major development around the metro, there may well have been none, or far less than we have now.  Lots of businesses were atttracted by the prospect of a huge amount of pedestian traffic generated by DCUSA.  Sure, I love Logan and U Street, but to assume that organically that would have been replicated in CH seems to ignore many of the very substantial differences between those neighborhoods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t think there is any room for a movie theater in there.  Plus, there is already the very small Gala hispanic theater there.</p>
<p>One thing that is forgotten in the &#8220;organic growth&#8221; discussion / assumptions is that CH has some serious limitations that U Street did not.  U Street first of all had (one of Barry&#8217;s few positive legacies) the Reeves Center as an anchor plus some great infrastructure / historic places like the Atlas Theater, Ben&#8217;s Chili Bowl, etc.  It got a head start on CH due to the metro going in there a few years earlier.  It is right between Logan and Dupont, so the &#8220;organic&#8221; growth naturally flowed outword from those neighborhoods, unlike in C.H.  And U Street, perhaps most importantly, did not have the biggest concentration of section 8 housing (none of which has any retail) making a large stretch of 14th street impossible / inhospitable for this so-called &#8220;organic&#8221; growth.  Without some centralized planning / pushing for major development around the metro, there may well have been none, or far less than we have now.  Lots of businesses were atttracted by the prospect of a huge amount of pedestian traffic generated by DCUSA.  Sure, I love Logan and U Street, but to assume that organically that would have been replicated in CH seems to ignore many of the very substantial differences between those neighborhoods.</p>
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		<title>By: Ada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could we support a movie theater?  at the Tivoli location?</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Bethesda is NOT fashionable or hip. I worked in Bethesda for almost 3 years (until last year) and felt Bethesda was a soulless movie set - all very artificial, no character. I could not wait to leave to get home to Petworth every evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Bethesda is NOT fashionable or hip. I worked in Bethesda for almost 3 years (until last year) and felt Bethesda was a soulless movie set &#8211; all very artificial, no character. I could not wait to leave to get home to Petworth every evening.</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bethesda is a fashionable place to be for most people.  It&#039;s a great place- great ethnic restaurants, boutiques, shops, etc.  Just because you don&#039;t think so, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s particularly hip, but isn&#039;t hip now just a code for urban hipster anyways?  Therefore, it cant really be in a &quot;nice&quot; place. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bethesda is a fashionable place to be for most people.  It&#8217;s a great place- great ethnic restaurants, boutiques, shops, etc.  Just because you don&#8217;t think so, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s particularly hip, but isn&#8217;t hip now just a code for urban hipster anyways?  Therefore, it cant really be in a &#8220;nice&#8221; place. lol</p>
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		<title>By: Jay'O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay'O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks are leaving out an interesting wild card/dark horse in this discussion about development of the area - Georgia Ave.  While we won&#039;t have any Borders opening up on the 3300 blk of Georgia Ave any time soon, eventually things will start to change on the avenue too.  My wife and I were driving around this past weekend with an eye oen houses and checking out development since we moved here 5 years ago.  It&#039;s funny - I have always kept up with every new development, but hadn&#039;t seen the forest for the trees.  Little by little stuff has really changes (for the better) since 2004 from Logan Square, U street, CH to Petworth.

What seems to have a TON of development potential is GA Ave. and it can only become more desirable as the cheap rents/properties vanish from Logan Circle, Admas Morgan, 14th street, and U street.  The whole legnth of GA ave. &amp; 7th street just waits for those first retail pioneers to jump in.  Development on U street has now pressed on all the way to 8th &amp; U st. with the night club &quot;Town&quot; and the 9th &amp; U street hot spot.

Hopefully development on GA ave. can be more &quot;organic&quot; and indie.  I spoken to some of my neighbors about an overlay for parts of GA from Kenyon down to Ecuclid that will provide neighborhood input into development.

So, I think it is safe to say GA ave. is probably the last chance we have for nearby funky/organic (whate ever we want to call it) development!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks are leaving out an interesting wild card/dark horse in this discussion about development of the area &#8211; Georgia Ave.  While we won&#8217;t have any Borders opening up on the 3300 blk of Georgia Ave any time soon, eventually things will start to change on the avenue too.  My wife and I were driving around this past weekend with an eye oen houses and checking out development since we moved here 5 years ago.  It&#8217;s funny &#8211; I have always kept up with every new development, but hadn&#8217;t seen the forest for the trees.  Little by little stuff has really changes (for the better) since 2004 from Logan Square, U street, CH to Petworth.</p>
<p>What seems to have a TON of development potential is GA Ave. and it can only become more desirable as the cheap rents/properties vanish from Logan Circle, Admas Morgan, 14th street, and U street.  The whole legnth of GA ave. &amp; 7th street just waits for those first retail pioneers to jump in.  Development on U street has now pressed on all the way to 8th &amp; U st. with the night club &#8220;Town&#8221; and the 9th &amp; U street hot spot.</p>
<p>Hopefully development on GA ave. can be more &#8220;organic&#8221; and indie.  I spoken to some of my neighbors about an overlay for parts of GA from Kenyon down to Ecuclid that will provide neighborhood input into development.</p>
<p>So, I think it is safe to say GA ave. is probably the last chance we have for nearby funky/organic (whate ever we want to call it) development!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when did Bethesda become a &quot;fashionable/hip place to be&quot;?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when did Bethesda become a &#8220;fashionable/hip place to be&#8221;?<br />
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		<title>By: Anon5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon @9:38: &quot;I think DC residents expect a level of options on par with a much bigger city in other words. even using bethesda as an example. Ton of Offices and Condos to support all the restaurants. &quot;

You&#039;ve got it backwards.  The restaurants exist to support the offices and condos.  There were offices in downtown Bethesda long before the fancy restaurants and bars moved in.   My dad lived and worked in downtown Bethesda for 17 years before it became all fancy, and only a few of the restaurants around at that time still remain.   My mom grew up there.  It was a residential/commuter enclave long before it was a fashionable/hip place to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon @9:38: &#8220;I think DC residents expect a level of options on par with a much bigger city in other words. even using bethesda as an example. Ton of Offices and Condos to support all the restaurants. &#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got it backwards.  The restaurants exist to support the offices and condos.  There were offices in downtown Bethesda long before the fancy restaurants and bars moved in.   My dad lived and worked in downtown Bethesda for 17 years before it became all fancy, and only a few of the restaurants around at that time still remain.   My mom grew up there.  It was a residential/commuter enclave long before it was a fashionable/hip place to be.</p>
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		<title>By: IMGoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMGoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this conversation is impossible to follow because every single person is posting anonymously. i can&#039;t tell who&#039;s responding to who. ugh—use names people. there&#039;s nothing wrong with a pseudonym.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this conversation is impossible to follow because every single person is posting anonymously. i can&#8217;t tell who&#8217;s responding to who. ugh—use names people. there&#8217;s nothing wrong with a pseudonym.</p>
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