<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Reports of a Major Gunfight in Park View</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/</link>
	<description>Welcome to the beautiful life</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:26:35 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Odentex</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28546</link>
		<dc:creator>Odentex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28546</guid>
		<description>GS:  Yes and no.  I really don&#039;t think any amount of mentoring will help with someone who would chase someone down the street and shoot them multiple times.  The &quot;mentoring&quot; involved in giving a known gun criminal a taxpayer-funded &quot;job&quot; with Jim Graham failed pretty spectacularly last week in broad daylight in Columbia Heights.   Perhaps he should have shot the Grahamstander for better effect.

What I&#039;m saying is that mentoring is a solution to question that is not being asked here.  The benefits of mentoring poor youth have nothing to do with keeping people safe in the community.  It&#039;s like offering me tourniquet when I&#039;m having a heart attack.  When people suggest &quot;programs for the yoof&quot; whenever a small number of people can&#039;t follow the basic rules of humanity it&#039;s just plain laughable.  Laughable.

The thug that shot this young man and the thug that shot two people last week in CH need to be locked up forever.  Period.  There is no mentoring, after-school program, hand-out, up-lift, or taxpayer subsidy to fill the gaping hole where their humanity should be.  They are empty, useless, soulless and lost.  The best thing for them and for us to lock them away where they can&#039;t hurt anyone else or become an inevitable casualty themselves to a thug with a quicker trigger finger.

&quot;Forced mentoring&quot; as some suggested here... well... I just have no words for how completely stupid that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS:  Yes and no.  I really don&#8217;t think any amount of mentoring will help with someone who would chase someone down the street and shoot them multiple times.  The &#8220;mentoring&#8221; involved in giving a known gun criminal a taxpayer-funded &#8220;job&#8221; with Jim Graham failed pretty spectacularly last week in broad daylight in Columbia Heights.   Perhaps he should have shot the Grahamstander for better effect.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that mentoring is a solution to question that is not being asked here.  The benefits of mentoring poor youth have nothing to do with keeping people safe in the community.  It&#8217;s like offering me tourniquet when I&#8217;m having a heart attack.  When people suggest &#8220;programs for the yoof&#8221; whenever a small number of people can&#8217;t follow the basic rules of humanity it&#8217;s just plain laughable.  Laughable.</p>
<p>The thug that shot this young man and the thug that shot two people last week in CH need to be locked up forever.  Period.  There is no mentoring, after-school program, hand-out, up-lift, or taxpayer subsidy to fill the gaping hole where their humanity should be.  They are empty, useless, soulless and lost.  The best thing for them and for us to lock them away where they can&#8217;t hurt anyone else or become an inevitable casualty themselves to a thug with a quicker trigger finger.</p>
<p>&#8220;Forced mentoring&#8221; as some suggested here&#8230; well&#8230; I just have no words for how completely stupid that is.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: GS</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28545</link>
		<dc:creator>GS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28545</guid>
		<description>&quot;The current crop of teenagers is lost. Stop reacting to them and start working on their younger siblings who can be saved.&quot;

&quot;Odentex, your energy, smarts and passion are great, but your efforts are misplaced.&quot;

But isn&#039;t that what Odentex is saying - Mentor, intervene, educate, do whatever you can to help those who are not lost but throw the book at the ones who are lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The current crop of teenagers is lost. Stop reacting to them and start working on their younger siblings who can be saved.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Odentex, your energy, smarts and passion are great, but your efforts are misplaced.&#8221;</p>
<p>But isn&#8217;t that what Odentex is saying &#8211; Mentor, intervene, educate, do whatever you can to help those who are not lost but throw the book at the ones who are lost.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28544</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28544</guid>
		<description>Criminal code as a deterrent doesn&#039;t work.  The teens committing crimes are criminals, they could care less about the law, jail, police, whatever.  They go to jail and come back heroes, with new skills learned.

The current crop of teenagers is lost.  Stop reacting to them and start working on their younger siblings who can be saved.

Odentex, your energy, smarts and passion are great, but your efforts are misplaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminal code as a deterrent doesn&#8217;t work.  The teens committing crimes are criminals, they could care less about the law, jail, police, whatever.  They go to jail and come back heroes, with new skills learned.</p>
<p>The current crop of teenagers is lost.  Stop reacting to them and start working on their younger siblings who can be saved.</p>
<p>Odentex, your energy, smarts and passion are great, but your efforts are misplaced.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Odentex</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28543</link>
		<dc:creator>Odentex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28543</guid>
		<description>Mel:  You are 100% correct.  It makes me so sad and angry that another family has to suffer because people like CM Mendelson just don&#039;t get it and would rather go on and on about the poor criminal than protect the public.

If the killer that took your brother&#039;s life was allowed out of jail before he was tried you can thank one person for that: Phil Mendelson.  For years he&#039;s refused to change the law to keep killers, gun criminals, and other dangerous thugs in jail pending trial and he doesn&#039;t see a problem with letting them prey on neighborhoods like ours.  He doesn&#039;t see a problem because his family lives in AU Park while innocent people like your brother suffer the consequences.

I can&#039;t tell you how much I am sorry and how angry it makes me.  Just know that there are plenty of people that want to see justice in DC and stop seeing young men die.  What&#039;s going on here?  Why can&#039;t we punish the killers and gun criminals like we think it&#039;s serious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel:  You are 100% correct.  It makes me so sad and angry that another family has to suffer because people like CM Mendelson just don&#8217;t get it and would rather go on and on about the poor criminal than protect the public.</p>
<p>If the killer that took your brother&#8217;s life was allowed out of jail before he was tried you can thank one person for that: Phil Mendelson.  For years he&#8217;s refused to change the law to keep killers, gun criminals, and other dangerous thugs in jail pending trial and he doesn&#8217;t see a problem with letting them prey on neighborhoods like ours.  He doesn&#8217;t see a problem because his family lives in AU Park while innocent people like your brother suffer the consequences.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how much I am sorry and how angry it makes me.  Just know that there are plenty of people that want to see justice in DC and stop seeing young men die.  What&#8217;s going on here?  Why can&#8217;t we punish the killers and gun criminals like we think it&#8217;s serious?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: mel</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28542</link>
		<dc:creator>mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28542</guid>
		<description>while all you fighting over who&#039;s racist or not and wasting your time, rather than spend some of it trying to help enact laws to eradicate some of this violence, I find it shameful that the innocent young man was killed by GSW on 600 block of Quebec on June 22. It seems he died in vain and the lunatic inhuman fool who committed this crime is now roaming around free to repeat this kind of behavior. Who would believe in our nations Capital the crime far exceeds many states. This is atrocious.
An innocent man is killed and instead of people posting information regarding &quot;whodunnit&quot;, you are arguing about sh...Empty Talk, talk, discuss, discuss...sounds familiar to me. What we need is ACTION from real citizens who want a better life for their kids and their kid&#039;s kids. This was my brother!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while all you fighting over who&#8217;s racist or not and wasting your time, rather than spend some of it trying to help enact laws to eradicate some of this violence, I find it shameful that the innocent young man was killed by GSW on 600 block of Quebec on June 22. It seems he died in vain and the lunatic inhuman fool who committed this crime is now roaming around free to repeat this kind of behavior. Who would believe in our nations Capital the crime far exceeds many states. This is atrocious.<br />
An innocent man is killed and instead of people posting information regarding &#8220;whodunnit&#8221;, you are arguing about sh&#8230;Empty Talk, talk, discuss, discuss&#8230;sounds familiar to me. What we need is ACTION from real citizens who want a better life for their kids and their kid&#8217;s kids. This was my brother!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28541</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28541</guid>
		<description>Once the ghetto scum realizes that they will be jailed/shot by the police/raped in prison for committing crimes, they will think twice about it and in many cases will find something more productive to do with their time.

People should read about the zero-tolerance policies they put in place in NYC under Giuliani. I think Giuliani is one of the oiliest sleazebags who ever walked the earth, but on this point he was spot on, and the city is far better for it.

There&#039;s another problem in DC, which was not so much of a factor in NY, and my mentioning of it will probably bring down howls of protest. But whatever. In DC, a large portion of the black community either actively supports crime committed against white people, or passively refuses to take sides against their own community against the outsiders. I&#039;ve actually been on a Metro train where a group of 3-4 teenage black kids got on, started screaming and running all over the place, swearing loudly, pushing each other into people on the train, etc. When I got out at the next stop to complain to the driver, another black passenger got off too and went out of his way to defend the kids, saying &quot;They just horsin&#039; around.&quot; It was obvious he didn&#039;t like the white boy narc-ing on the homies.

On a somewhat off-topic but similar vein, they had an article in the Post (I believe DCist talked about it) at about the time that Michelle Rhee came in to run the school system. that some blacks openly admitted they wanted her to fail because, if she succeeded where black administrators failed, what did it say about the black community&#039;s ability to handle its own problems? The same thing is at play with the crime situation, to a degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the ghetto scum realizes that they will be jailed/shot by the police/raped in prison for committing crimes, they will think twice about it and in many cases will find something more productive to do with their time.</p>
<p>People should read about the zero-tolerance policies they put in place in NYC under Giuliani. I think Giuliani is one of the oiliest sleazebags who ever walked the earth, but on this point he was spot on, and the city is far better for it.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another problem in DC, which was not so much of a factor in NY, and my mentioning of it will probably bring down howls of protest. But whatever. In DC, a large portion of the black community either actively supports crime committed against white people, or passively refuses to take sides against their own community against the outsiders. I&#8217;ve actually been on a Metro train where a group of 3-4 teenage black kids got on, started screaming and running all over the place, swearing loudly, pushing each other into people on the train, etc. When I got out at the next stop to complain to the driver, another black passenger got off too and went out of his way to defend the kids, saying &#8220;They just horsin&#8217; around.&#8221; It was obvious he didn&#8217;t like the white boy narc-ing on the homies.</p>
<p>On a somewhat off-topic but similar vein, they had an article in the Post (I believe DCist talked about it) at about the time that Michelle Rhee came in to run the school system. that some blacks openly admitted they wanted her to fail because, if she succeeded where black administrators failed, what did it say about the black community&#8217;s ability to handle its own problems? The same thing is at play with the crime situation, to a degree.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Odentex</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28540</link>
		<dc:creator>Odentex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28540</guid>
		<description>I ask again, what is your specific solution Anonymous?  Or are you going to simply repeat tired expressions about &quot;warehousing&quot; and avoid the issues?  What&#039;s your solution other than simply resist practicalities because it hurts your progressive sensibilities?

The fact is that &quot;warehousing&quot; accomplished by the establishment of federal mandatory minimums for drugs and guns, and similar state laws, are what allow New Yorkers to walk the streets in peace while DC residents waste time discussing bullshit.

You don&#039;t reform a 19 year old who shoots people on a busy street in broad daylight by giving him a handout &quot;job&quot; - you throw the keys away.  Could the picture not be made any clearer by the events of last week?  &quot;Programs&quot; don&#039;t reform the unreformable.  You can&#039;t &quot;mentor&quot; a criminal.  Why must everyone be subject to the violence and crime of these people because Mendelson and people like you get hurt feelings over upsetting thugs and their families?

Most importantly, in WHAT FANTASY WORLD does the criminal from last week&#039;s shooting positively effect the life of his spawn whether he&#039;s in or out of jail?  Are you fucking kidding? His kid couldn&#039;t pick him out of a line up.  You&#039;re hilarious with this cause in effect regarding punishing criminals!

LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ask again, what is your specific solution Anonymous?  Or are you going to simply repeat tired expressions about &#8220;warehousing&#8221; and avoid the issues?  What&#8217;s your solution other than simply resist practicalities because it hurts your progressive sensibilities?</p>
<p>The fact is that &#8220;warehousing&#8221; accomplished by the establishment of federal mandatory minimums for drugs and guns, and similar state laws, are what allow New Yorkers to walk the streets in peace while DC residents waste time discussing bullshit.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t reform a 19 year old who shoots people on a busy street in broad daylight by giving him a handout &#8220;job&#8221; &#8211; you throw the keys away.  Could the picture not be made any clearer by the events of last week?  &#8220;Programs&#8221; don&#8217;t reform the unreformable.  You can&#8217;t &#8220;mentor&#8221; a criminal.  Why must everyone be subject to the violence and crime of these people because Mendelson and people like you get hurt feelings over upsetting thugs and their families?</p>
<p>Most importantly, in WHAT FANTASY WORLD does the criminal from last week&#8217;s shooting positively effect the life of his spawn whether he&#8217;s in or out of jail?  Are you fucking kidding? His kid couldn&#8217;t pick him out of a line up.  You&#8217;re hilarious with this cause in effect regarding punishing criminals!</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28539</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28539</guid>
		<description>Warehousing young men and leaving their kids to their own devices will simply result in more men to warehouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warehousing young men and leaving their kids to their own devices will simply result in more men to warehouse.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28538</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28538</guid>
		<description>Odentex,
email me sometime.  my email is nate20011@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odentex,<br />
email me sometime.  my email is <a href="mailto:nate20011@gmail.com">nate20011@gmail.com</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Odentex</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28537</link>
		<dc:creator>Odentex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/06/reports-of-a-major-gunfight-in-park-view/#comment-28537</guid>
		<description>Look, Anonymous, and everyone else that suggests &quot;intervention&quot;.  What, specifically, is your plan?   I mean really?  I want realistic specifics.

Take kids away from homes where the parents aren&#039;t doing their job?  Good luck with that.  As long as the child isn&#039;t being seriously abused there is simply nothing you can do about the cycle of ignorance and dysfunction.  You can&#039;t remove the child.  You can&#039;t &quot;force&quot; mentoring or participation in whatever make-good program you promote.

The 2% of kids that turn out violent are not showing up for mentoring sessions or taking advantage of community resources.  That&#039;s not their interest or background, nor the interest or background of their parents (if their parents are even around).  The kids that benefit from mentoring and other intervention are typically not the ones using guns on others.  People make differences in the lives of children, no doubt, but the children participating in these programs and benefitting from them are not the ones that end up shooting at each other.

And BTW, I totally agree with you that such initiatives are useful and bring some kids along in ways that otherwise would not have happened.  But these initiatives can&#039;t reach, won&#039;t reach, will never reach some children.  All we can do is make sure OUR children and the children of out law-abiding neighbors don&#039;t suffer the consequences of now adult criminals.

I&#039;ll give you an example.  Grandmother on my block was raising her daughter&#039;s children.  Children were doing well, in school, had friends, seemed to be as happy and healthy as any children you&#039;d ever meet.  Immature and troubled daughter realizes she&#039;ll get more money for housing and aid if she has kids and proceeds to take kids even though she has no place to live.  Kids go to shelter with erratic, but not clearly abusive, mother.  Grandmother never had custody so she can&#039;t do a thing.  Judge says &quot;what can I do?&quot;  Maybe the few years with granny will serve those children well and they&#039;ll make it through, maybe mother will grow up and put her children back in school and pursue mentoring and other opportunities, but maybe not.

The bottom line here is that the result will have nothing whatever to do with your plans or mine.  Unless someone else&#039;s child is seriously abused the environment they live in is never going to be up to you.  What they&#039;re taught, if they are made to hate and have no respect for themselves or others, that&#039;s just beyond anyone&#039;s control.  No program can fix what&#039;s broken there.  I hate to say it, but on this front, Nate is 100% right.  The level of dysfunction is impenetrable and their ain&#039;t no &quot;program&quot; to fix it.

And BTW, enforcing the law and protecting the public isn&#039;t a &quot;short term solution&quot; it&#039;s the primary job of any government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, Anonymous, and everyone else that suggests &#8220;intervention&#8221;.  What, specifically, is your plan?   I mean really?  I want realistic specifics.</p>
<p>Take kids away from homes where the parents aren&#8217;t doing their job?  Good luck with that.  As long as the child isn&#8217;t being seriously abused there is simply nothing you can do about the cycle of ignorance and dysfunction.  You can&#8217;t remove the child.  You can&#8217;t &#8220;force&#8221; mentoring or participation in whatever make-good program you promote.</p>
<p>The 2% of kids that turn out violent are not showing up for mentoring sessions or taking advantage of community resources.  That&#8217;s not their interest or background, nor the interest or background of their parents (if their parents are even around).  The kids that benefit from mentoring and other intervention are typically not the ones using guns on others.  People make differences in the lives of children, no doubt, but the children participating in these programs and benefitting from them are not the ones that end up shooting at each other.</p>
<p>And BTW, I totally agree with you that such initiatives are useful and bring some kids along in ways that otherwise would not have happened.  But these initiatives can&#8217;t reach, won&#8217;t reach, will never reach some children.  All we can do is make sure OUR children and the children of out law-abiding neighbors don&#8217;t suffer the consequences of now adult criminals.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you an example.  Grandmother on my block was raising her daughter&#8217;s children.  Children were doing well, in school, had friends, seemed to be as happy and healthy as any children you&#8217;d ever meet.  Immature and troubled daughter realizes she&#8217;ll get more money for housing and aid if she has kids and proceeds to take kids even though she has no place to live.  Kids go to shelter with erratic, but not clearly abusive, mother.  Grandmother never had custody so she can&#8217;t do a thing.  Judge says &#8220;what can I do?&#8221;  Maybe the few years with granny will serve those children well and they&#8217;ll make it through, maybe mother will grow up and put her children back in school and pursue mentoring and other opportunities, but maybe not.</p>
<p>The bottom line here is that the result will have nothing whatever to do with your plans or mine.  Unless someone else&#8217;s child is seriously abused the environment they live in is never going to be up to you.  What they&#8217;re taught, if they are made to hate and have no respect for themselves or others, that&#8217;s just beyond anyone&#8217;s control.  No program can fix what&#8217;s broken there.  I hate to say it, but on this front, Nate is 100% right.  The level of dysfunction is impenetrable and their ain&#8217;t no &#8220;program&#8221; to fix it.</p>
<p>And BTW, enforcing the law and protecting the public isn&#8217;t a &#8220;short term solution&#8221; it&#8217;s the primary job of any government.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
