Comments on: At Last the Identity of the Parcel Next to Marvin Revealed! 14th Street Bakery and Wine Bar http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/ Welcome to the beautiful life Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:43:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29160 Anonymous Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:04:01 +0000 http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29160 One very important issue has not been discussed here and should be considered: From a regulatory standpoint, why would a bakery and wine bistro need a CT "Tavern Class C" or in short a "Bar" license? They can serve any liquor they want, do not have to serve any food, and have maximum opening hours. http://abra.dc.gov/abra/frames.asp?doc=/abra/lib/abra/quick_guide_tavern_class_c.pdf If they are to be a Bakery and Wine Bar (an unlikely combination - "I'll have the '98 Merlot and a cupcake, please.") Anyway a DT "Class D Tavern License" permits the sale of wine and beer only and allows for the sale of food, but at no set percentage of sales. They need a DT, not the very wide-reaching CT license. This is an important distinction with long-term and wide- reaching repercussions. http://abra.dc.gov/abra/frames.asp?doc=/abra/lib/abra/quick_guide_tavern_class_d.pdf Whenever an establishment like this is granted a CT license, more likely than not, they will become another bar, loosely regulated. Nothing wrong with Bars, but to ask for such a license for this place leads me to only only one conclusion. One very important issue has not been discussed here and should be considered:

From a regulatory standpoint, why would a bakery and wine bistro need a CT “Tavern Class C” or in short a “Bar” license? They can serve any liquor they want, do not have to serve any food, and have maximum opening hours.

http://abra.dc.gov/abra/frames.asp?doc=/abra/lib/abra/quick_guide_tavern_class_c.pdf

If they are to be a Bakery and Wine Bar (an unlikely combination – “I’ll have the ‘98 Merlot and a cupcake, please.”) Anyway a DT “Class D Tavern License” permits the sale of wine and beer only and allows for the sale of food, but at no set percentage of sales. They need a DT, not the very wide-reaching CT license. This is an important distinction with long-term and wide- reaching repercussions.

http://abra.dc.gov/abra/frames.asp?doc=/abra/lib/abra/quick_guide_tavern_class_d.pdf

Whenever an establishment like this is granted a CT license, more likely than not, they will become another bar, loosely regulated. Nothing wrong with Bars, but to ask for such a license for this place leads me to only only one conclusion.

]]> By: eric in ledroit http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29159 eric in ledroit Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:19:27 +0000 http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29159 you whiners are hilarious you whiners are hilarious

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29158 Anonymous Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:37:32 +0000 http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29158 Dog walker Says: July 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pm Anon @10:51 I want a real bakery where I can get a loaf of bread or fresh pastry, not a F#CKING egg and bagel sandwich! There are at least three places in spitting distance that have that! PLEASE LIST Egg and Bagel Sandwich places: 1) 2) 3) Thanks. Dog walker Says:

July 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Anon @10:51 I want a real bakery where I can get a loaf of bread or fresh pastry, not a F#CKING egg and bagel sandwich! There are at least three places in spitting distance that have that!

PLEASE LIST Egg and Bagel Sandwich places:
1)
2)
3)
Thanks.

]]> By: monkeyrotica http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29157 monkeyrotica Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:47:32 +0000 http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29157 In the original Les Halles market in Paris, you used to be able to get a breakfast of onion soup gratinee, rare roast beef on a baguette, and a glass of red wine. DC needs a breakfast place like that. Now you're lucky to get an Egg Mcmuffin, a cup of burnt coffee, and diarrhea. In the original Les Halles market in Paris, you used to be able to get a breakfast of onion soup gratinee, rare roast beef on a baguette, and a glass of red wine. DC needs a breakfast place like that. Now you’re lucky to get an Egg Mcmuffin, a cup of burnt coffee, and diarrhea.

]]> By: Simon http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29156 Simon Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:37:03 +0000 http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29156 @ShawRes: I hear your point (though I don't know from personal experience), but it seems to me that the problem is with the ANC's and the city regulatory process, not with ESL or other local "conglomerates." We shouldn't blame ESL if the city makes it difficult for new entrepreneurs to open businesses -- especially when it's not like ESL is taking up all the open spaces. To me, ESL is helping the neighborhood, and red tape (I'll take your word and 14thandu's for it) is hurting. @ShawRes: I hear your point (though I don’t know from personal experience), but it seems to me that the problem is with the ANC’s and the city regulatory process, not with ESL or other local “conglomerates.” We shouldn’t blame ESL if the city makes it difficult for new entrepreneurs to open businesses — especially when it’s not like ESL is taking up all the open spaces. To me, ESL is helping the neighborhood, and red tape (I’ll take your word and 14thandu’s for it) is hurting.

]]> By: Jimmy D http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29155 Jimmy D Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:44:14 +0000 http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29155 Cork was packed to the brim Friday night. I agree it seems inconceivable that more demand for these places exist, but it definitely does. Cork was packed to the brim Friday night. I agree it seems inconceivable that more demand for these places exist, but it definitely does.

]]> By: Dog walker http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29154 Dog walker Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:27:38 +0000 http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29154 Anon @10:51 I want a real bakery where I can get a loaf of bread or fresh pastry, not a F#CKING egg and bagel sandwich! There are at least three places in spitting distance that have that! Anon @10:51 I want a real bakery where I can get a loaf of bread or fresh pastry, not a F#CKING egg and bagel sandwich! There are at least three places in spitting distance that have that!

]]> By: Binklesworth http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29153 Binklesworth Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:11:19 +0000 http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29153 I look forward to doing wine bar crawls, starting at Veritas, then to Cork, this new place, then Vinoteca, winding up at Room 11. Or mayhaps continue on to finish up at Red Rocks. I'm not a big fan of conglomerates, but I'm happy to know ESL is at least local. I can deal with local chains way better than nationals. victoriam - that sounds like a lovely combination. Mayhaps I'll try that, either when this place opens, or at Sova on H Street. I look forward to doing wine bar crawls, starting at Veritas, then to Cork, this new place, then Vinoteca, winding up at Room 11. Or mayhaps continue on to finish up at Red Rocks.
I’m not a big fan of conglomerates, but I’m happy to know ESL is at least local. I can deal with local chains way better than nationals.

victoriam – that sounds like a lovely combination. Mayhaps I’ll try that, either when this place opens, or at Sova on H Street.

]]> By: victoriam http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29152 victoriam Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:57:01 +0000 http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29152 During college I worked a night shift at a hospital and always had a warm, fresh bran muffin with a glass of red wine for "breakfast" in the morning. Still remember this combination as delicious! During college I worked a night shift at a hospital and always had a warm, fresh bran muffin with a glass of red wine for “breakfast” in the morning. Still remember this combination as delicious!

]]> By: ShawRes http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29151 ShawRes Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:20:24 +0000 http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/at-last-the-identity-of-the-parcel-next-to-marvin-revealed-14th-street-bakery-and-wine-bar/#comment-29151 Actually, Anon 1027, I live four blocks away and have owned since the 90s. I also own several houses that I rent out throughout the district (possibly to you!). Don't get me wrong, ESL is a local company and they've done great things for the city. that said, they are so successful because they've learned how to navigate the city bureacracy. My problem isn't so much with them as it is with the fact that our elected leaders are too nutless to take on the neighborhood activists. As a result, only the most well heeled and knowledgable entrepreneurs have the werewithal to start up businesses in this city. It is the single largest impediment to the growth of a middle class in our economy. @Simon: Exactly! They are wasted space because it is so difficult to get a hold of one for a commercial purpose. This is why, when one does get the retrofit, it's usually at the hand of ESL or a like minded group. I would encourage an occasional read of 14thandyou.blogspot.com to see how incredibly difficult it is to manage a business in this community. It shouldn't be so hard for a family to make a living on 14th street. that's all i'm sayin. (but shawres? you've lived here for 16 years why aren't you doing anything about it???!?! Gotta work.) Actually, Anon 1027, I live four blocks away and have owned since the 90s. I also own several houses that I rent out throughout the district (possibly to you!). Don’t get me wrong, ESL is a local company and they’ve done great things for the city. that said, they are so successful because they’ve learned how to navigate the city bureacracy. My problem isn’t so much with them as it is with the fact that our elected leaders are too nutless to take on the neighborhood activists. As a result, only the most well heeled and knowledgable entrepreneurs have the werewithal to start up businesses in this city. It is the single largest impediment to the growth of a middle class in our economy.

@Simon: Exactly! They are wasted space because it is so difficult to get a hold of one for a commercial purpose. This is why, when one does get the retrofit, it’s usually at the hand of ESL or a like minded group.

I would encourage an occasional read of 14thandyou.blogspot.com to see how incredibly difficult it is to manage a business in this community. It shouldn’t be so hard for a family to make a living on 14th street. that’s all i’m sayin. (but shawres? you’ve lived here for 16 years why aren’t you doing anything about it???!?! Gotta work.)

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