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	<title>Comments on: Meet the Man Behind Some of DC&#8217;s Coolest Murals &#8211; Joel Bergner</title>
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		<title>By: Big Youth</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/07/meet-the-man-behind-some-of-dcs-coolest-murals-joel-bergner/#comment-24693</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Youth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel&#039;s murals are contributing to the fabric of our great city, stop all to bitching.. WTF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel&#8217;s murals are contributing to the fabric of our great city, stop all to bitching.. WTF</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, taxpayer money is used in order to beautify our city with a variety of public art projects, including murals, which are not often painted on &quot;cruddy looking buildings,&quot; but instead regular buildings that do not need to be rehabbed, but would look nicer with a mural. The dc commission on the arts is partly funded by the national endowment for the arts, and is intended to support our local artists and bring art and culture to our communities. if you don&#039;t believe that murals can make a huge difference in a city, you should go to philadelphia, or at least check out the philadelphia mural project online. i can think of a lot of things that we spend much more taxpayer money on that are much more pointless and wasteful than murals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, taxpayer money is used in order to beautify our city with a variety of public art projects, including murals, which are not often painted on &#8220;cruddy looking buildings,&#8221; but instead regular buildings that do not need to be rehabbed, but would look nicer with a mural. The dc commission on the arts is partly funded by the national endowment for the arts, and is intended to support our local artists and bring art and culture to our communities. if you don&#8217;t believe that murals can make a huge difference in a city, you should go to philadelphia, or at least check out the philadelphia mural project online. i can think of a lot of things that we spend much more taxpayer money on that are much more pointless and wasteful than murals.</p>
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		<title>By: Eponymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eponymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love art as much as the next guy, but this bothers me:

&quot;He is able to paint these murals with the assistance of grants from the DC Commission of the Arts.&quot;

So, taxpayer money is being used to paint over cruddy looking buildings instead of just rehabbing said buildings with said money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love art as much as the next guy, but this bothers me:</p>
<p>&#8220;He is able to paint these murals with the assistance of grants from the DC Commission of the Arts.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, taxpayer money is being used to paint over cruddy looking buildings instead of just rehabbing said buildings with said money?</p>
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		<title>By: Big Youth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Youth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, welcome to the hood .. it hard for a P... out here.  I support you brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, welcome to the hood .. it hard for a P&#8230; out here.  I support you brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;all probably were Vanilla Ice fans, too....not that there&#039;s anything wrong with that...(well, maybe a little bit).....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;all probably were Vanilla Ice fans, too&#8230;.not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with that&#8230;(well, maybe a little bit)&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Redhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon - no. They&#039;re just not necessarily the best people for every job that involves African American culture.  I have no idea how many there are in DC.

Let&#039;s just say there are 7 black muralists in DC.  Eight separate community entities want to have murals made about African American culture at the same time. They couldn&#039;t contract someone else? Let&#039;s say one of those black artists is actually really good at painting, say, fish, and someone wants to hire her to do a mural with fish instead. Would she have to take the commission featuring African American figures just because she&#039;s black? And what do you do about a mural that features black and white and brown people together? Hire separate artists to paint different sections? Nonsense. You hire the person who is culturally sensitive, artistically gifted, and able to deliver dependably on-time and on-budget.

The mural above is about immigration, which effects people of all colors.

Last time I checked, Shepard Fairey was white and no one objected to his street art of Obama on those grounds.  It&#039;s simplistic, lazy thinking to look at the artists&#039; skin color to see if you should like something - rather than looking at the art.  It could also lead to dangerous ghettoization of black art and black artists.

And Anon - give yourself a name if you wanna start a real conversation. I can&#039;t tell if I&#039;m talking to the first Anon or some other person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon &#8211; no. They&#8217;re just not necessarily the best people for every job that involves African American culture.  I have no idea how many there are in DC.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just say there are 7 black muralists in DC.  Eight separate community entities want to have murals made about African American culture at the same time. They couldn&#8217;t contract someone else? Let&#8217;s say one of those black artists is actually really good at painting, say, fish, and someone wants to hire her to do a mural with fish instead. Would she have to take the commission featuring African American figures just because she&#8217;s black? And what do you do about a mural that features black and white and brown people together? Hire separate artists to paint different sections? Nonsense. You hire the person who is culturally sensitive, artistically gifted, and able to deliver dependably on-time and on-budget.</p>
<p>The mural above is about immigration, which effects people of all colors.</p>
<p>Last time I checked, Shepard Fairey was white and no one objected to his street art of Obama on those grounds.  It&#8217;s simplistic, lazy thinking to look at the artists&#8217; skin color to see if you should like something &#8211; rather than looking at the art.  It could also lead to dangerous ghettoization of black art and black artists.</p>
<p>And Anon &#8211; give yourself a name if you wanna start a real conversation. I can&#8217;t tell if I&#8217;m talking to the first Anon or some other person.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Redhead, per your line of thinking, there are no Black mural painters available in DC?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Redhead, per your line of thinking, there are no Black mural painters available in DC?!</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Clara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel is an awesome artist and a great person! His murals definitely reflect his understanding of social issues and cultures. I am so glad you finally featured him. Hola Joel!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel is an awesome artist and a great person! His murals definitely reflect his understanding of social issues and cultures. I am so glad you finally featured him. Hola Joel!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Redhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the primary qualification for a mural painter should be that he/she knows how to paint a mural. Per Anon&#039;s line of thinking, if someone wanted a mural to represent a specific ethnic tradition and no painter was available from that tradition - well then there would be no mural.  Likewise if there were a person from a separate ethnic group who was a better painter, the ethnic group would be seen as traitors if they hired the better painter, instead of someone from &quot;their own&quot; community.

Sure you don&#039;t want somebody co-opting your culture but you have to look at the skills of the artist.  That has to be the primary qualification.

That said, I don&#039;t think this guy&#039;s the best muralist. But I&#039;d rather talk about how he renders the human form on a flat surface than to talk about the fact that he&#039;s white and his subjects are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the primary qualification for a mural painter should be that he/she knows how to paint a mural. Per Anon&#8217;s line of thinking, if someone wanted a mural to represent a specific ethnic tradition and no painter was available from that tradition &#8211; well then there would be no mural.  Likewise if there were a person from a separate ethnic group who was a better painter, the ethnic group would be seen as traitors if they hired the better painter, instead of someone from &#8220;their own&#8221; community.</p>
<p>Sure you don&#8217;t want somebody co-opting your culture but you have to look at the skills of the artist.  That has to be the primary qualification.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t think this guy&#8217;s the best muralist. But I&#8217;d rather talk about how he renders the human form on a flat surface than to talk about the fact that he&#8217;s white and his subjects are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Joel&#039;s response to the anonymous poster may merit an OH SNAP!

Joel, thanks for adding thoughtful, vibrant murals to our city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Joel&#8217;s response to the anonymous poster may merit an OH SNAP!</p>
<p>Joel, thanks for adding thoughtful, vibrant murals to our city.</p>
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