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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/11/washington-post-columnist-petula-dvorak-shame-on-you/#comment-161674</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point the author was trying to make was the difference between public space/private space.  You need $$$ to take advantage of all the great new happenings in CH.  Also, those great new businesses want low taxes which means less available public funds/police/social services. (her empty playground?)

That said, picking on the latte comment was a cheap shot. 

In my opinion, events like Columbia Heights Day are very important toward the [re]creation of a community in that neighborhood.  CH&#039;s newer residents should also understand there is a fine line between community-building and paternalism.  You don&#039;t know everything about the neighborhood in which you&#039;ve lived for the past 3 years and &quot;getting rid of crime,&quot; as one poster put it, fails to account for social inequality, discrimination, and, yes, racism, still present in one of the most liberal cities in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point the author was trying to make was the difference between public space/private space.  You need $$$ to take advantage of all the great new happenings in CH.  Also, those great new businesses want low taxes which means less available public funds/police/social services. (her empty playground?)</p>
<p>That said, picking on the latte comment was a cheap shot. </p>
<p>In my opinion, events like Columbia Heights Day are very important toward the [re]creation of a community in that neighborhood.  CH&#8217;s newer residents should also understand there is a fine line between community-building and paternalism.  You don&#8217;t know everything about the neighborhood in which you&#8217;ve lived for the past 3 years and &#8220;getting rid of crime,&#8221; as one poster put it, fails to account for social inequality, discrimination, and, yes, racism, still present in one of the most liberal cities in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/11/washington-post-columnist-petula-dvorak-shame-on-you/#comment-140046</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that PoP and many others are being way too defensive about this author&#039;s opinion.  I just read the article in question and I have to say that I did not find it to be offensive or misleading.  She makes the exact point that has been the focus of countless threads in this Listserv - adding upscale stores and restaurants is not necessarily making CH any safer.  I find it odd that so many are so much more defensive about this point when it comes from outside the community.  I guess it&#039;s like someone who criticizes their family to no end but gets offended when someone else offers the same criticisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that PoP and many others are being way too defensive about this author&#8217;s opinion.  I just read the article in question and I have to say that I did not find it to be offensive or misleading.  She makes the exact point that has been the focus of countless threads in this Listserv &#8211; adding upscale stores and restaurants is not necessarily making CH any safer.  I find it odd that so many are so much more defensive about this point when it comes from outside the community.  I guess it&#8217;s like someone who criticizes their family to no end but gets offended when someone else offers the same criticisms.</p>
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		<title>By: cavexin</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/11/washington-post-columnist-petula-dvorak-shame-on-you/#comment-139864</link>
		<dc:creator>cavexin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just to clarify when i meant i don&#039;t come here for meaningful and nuanced crime discussion, i meant for talking about the root-causes, possible solutions etc.... for just actual news-items, this blog is a great resource.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to clarify when i meant i don&#8217;t come here for meaningful and nuanced crime discussion, i meant for talking about the root-causes, possible solutions etc&#8230;. for just actual news-items, this blog is a great resource.</p>
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		<title>By: cavexin</title>
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		<dc:creator>cavexin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to agree with quincycyclist comment way up there.  i think people are completely missing the article&#039;s point about highlighting the contrast in residents&#039; lives and backgrounds in columbia heights.  How a few hundred feet can make a difference between life and death, poverty and 4$ lattes (for the record i regularly enjoy $4 lattes).  Yes not the best written article, but quoting from PoP was just illustrative of the different constituencies represented in the neighborhood and not some sort of direct attack on PoP in order to paint you or anyone else as a heartless person who doesn&#039;t care about the terrible murder.  

And to all those folks jumping to PoP&#039;s defense both in the Post comment section and the why.i.hate.dc blog - you really think he gives a wide-ranging and nuanced view of neighborhood living and racism and crime and gentrification?  Puh-leeze!!!  I enjoy coming to PoP daily for the GDON posts and other news on new businesses etc, but this blog and most its posters sure as hell aren&#039;t proactive and educated front-runners on the much-needed discussion about all the ups and downs of development, urban renewal etc and all the socio-economic baggage that goes with it.  I don&#039;t come to, nor expect, PoP to fulfill that role and would hope that others don&#039;t either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to agree with quincycyclist comment way up there.  i think people are completely missing the article&#8217;s point about highlighting the contrast in residents&#8217; lives and backgrounds in columbia heights.  How a few hundred feet can make a difference between life and death, poverty and 4$ lattes (for the record i regularly enjoy $4 lattes).  Yes not the best written article, but quoting from PoP was just illustrative of the different constituencies represented in the neighborhood and not some sort of direct attack on PoP in order to paint you or anyone else as a heartless person who doesn&#8217;t care about the terrible murder.  </p>
<p>And to all those folks jumping to PoP&#8217;s defense both in the Post comment section and the why.i.hate.dc blog &#8211; you really think he gives a wide-ranging and nuanced view of neighborhood living and racism and crime and gentrification?  Puh-leeze!!!  I enjoy coming to PoP daily for the GDON posts and other news on new businesses etc, but this blog and most its posters sure as hell aren&#8217;t proactive and educated front-runners on the much-needed discussion about all the ups and downs of development, urban renewal etc and all the socio-economic baggage that goes with it.  I don&#8217;t come to, nor expect, PoP to fulfill that role and would hope that others don&#8217;t either.</p>
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		<title>By: Constermash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Constermash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This the FIRST place I come to for news in the neighborhood pertaining to local crime and community concerns.  The WaPost and other local news channels lag behind and the perspective is from afar.

I would respect the writer more of she lived here and actually took the time to talk to the wider community.  Yes CH has its problems and conflicting values/priorities but I have never lived in such a community oriented neighborhood in my life.  Props to everyone who is trying to make CH and the area a better place.  Hipsters and homeless, minorities and yuppies - it&#039;s what CH is and the tensions are real as in most urban centers.  But its what we do with them that matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This the FIRST place I come to for news in the neighborhood pertaining to local crime and community concerns.  The WaPost and other local news channels lag behind and the perspective is from afar.</p>
<p>I would respect the writer more of she lived here and actually took the time to talk to the wider community.  Yes CH has its problems and conflicting values/priorities but I have never lived in such a community oriented neighborhood in my life.  Props to everyone who is trying to make CH and the area a better place.  Hipsters and homeless, minorities and yuppies &#8211; it&#8217;s what CH is and the tensions are real as in most urban centers.  But its what we do with them that matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Looy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Looy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And the latte guy deserves all the derision he gets. And if he wants to make a federal case of it, I know where he can find a good barrister.&quot;

Irving, is that a pun???? Barrister&gt; Barista?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And the latte guy deserves all the derision he gets. And if he wants to make a federal case of it, I know where he can find a good barrister.&#8221;</p>
<p>Irving, is that a pun???? Barrister&gt; Barista?</p>
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		<title>By: Looy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Looy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;And the latte guy deserves all the derision he gets. And if he wants to make a federal case of it, I know where he can find a good barrister. Barista?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;And the latte guy deserves all the derision he gets. And if he wants to make a federal case of it, I know where he can find a good barrister. Barista?</p>
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		<title>By: New2CH</title>
		<link>http://www.princeofpetworth.com/2009/11/washington-post-columnist-petula-dvorak-shame-on-you/#comment-139715</link>
		<dc:creator>New2CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be the best epilogue to a stupid discussion ever: VOR, the white, johnny-come late, holier-than-thou, preachy, insufferable, know-it-all, humorless, aspiring high-end chocolatier attorney, perhaps the single most self-absorbed and self-important poster (note I said poster, not person, although in this case, hard to believe the thousands of posts are not indicative of the person) in the history of this or any other blog I&#039;ve read, proclaiming from on high that a former refugee who he doesn&#039;t even know is self-absorbed.   Fantastic.

In the meantime, I look forward to a another nice weekend in CH, surrounded by people, the vast majority of whom, new and old residents alike, are friendly, neighborly, fun-loving, hard-working folks, notwithstanding our occasional desire to indulge a frivolous taste (and I don&#039;t even LIKE coffee and could give a damn about lattes, but I have plenty of equally or even more frivolous pastimes, and I make no apologies for them, nor should anyway else who decides to splurge with their hard-earned money on -- gasp -- a four buck cup of coffee or a seven dollar glass of wine.  God forbid ...).  I REALLY wish the neighborhood marxist patrol could drop by VOR&#039;s house to check for frivolous items bought with money that could have instead been donated to those less fortunate.    But I guess only people who drink coffee or wine are subject to that type of scrutiny.

The sad thing is, of COURSE there are serious urban problems in CH, duh, you&#039;d have to blind not to see them or heartless not to care.  But articles like the WaPo article or posters like VOR and his ilk, rather than focusing on the root cause and potential solutions for those problems, rather than a serious, in depth analysis, only distract by trying to be too clever by half / alienating the very people in a position to potentially help / inspiring division rather than building community / scapegoating / trying to ignite a race or class war / just generally being insanely dumb and annoyingly self-important.  The day I see VOR stop wasting his time doing nothing but alienate and berate good people like, I don&#039;t know, REFUGEES WHO SPEND A LITTLE POCKET MONEY ON COFFEE, and uses that time to, I don&#039;t know, actually help someone in the community instead, is the day I might start to listen.  Personally, I follow those who lead via example, not via sanctimony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be the best epilogue to a stupid discussion ever: VOR, the white, johnny-come late, holier-than-thou, preachy, insufferable, know-it-all, humorless, aspiring high-end chocolatier attorney, perhaps the single most self-absorbed and self-important poster (note I said poster, not person, although in this case, hard to believe the thousands of posts are not indicative of the person) in the history of this or any other blog I&#8217;ve read, proclaiming from on high that a former refugee who he doesn&#8217;t even know is self-absorbed.   Fantastic.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I look forward to a another nice weekend in CH, surrounded by people, the vast majority of whom, new and old residents alike, are friendly, neighborly, fun-loving, hard-working folks, notwithstanding our occasional desire to indulge a frivolous taste (and I don&#8217;t even LIKE coffee and could give a damn about lattes, but I have plenty of equally or even more frivolous pastimes, and I make no apologies for them, nor should anyway else who decides to splurge with their hard-earned money on &#8212; gasp &#8212; a four buck cup of coffee or a seven dollar glass of wine.  God forbid &#8230;).  I REALLY wish the neighborhood marxist patrol could drop by VOR&#8217;s house to check for frivolous items bought with money that could have instead been donated to those less fortunate.    But I guess only people who drink coffee or wine are subject to that type of scrutiny.</p>
<p>The sad thing is, of COURSE there are serious urban problems in CH, duh, you&#8217;d have to blind not to see them or heartless not to care.  But articles like the WaPo article or posters like VOR and his ilk, rather than focusing on the root cause and potential solutions for those problems, rather than a serious, in depth analysis, only distract by trying to be too clever by half / alienating the very people in a position to potentially help / inspiring division rather than building community / scapegoating / trying to ignite a race or class war / just generally being insanely dumb and annoyingly self-important.  The day I see VOR stop wasting his time doing nothing but alienate and berate good people like, I don&#8217;t know, REFUGEES WHO SPEND A LITTLE POCKET MONEY ON COFFEE, and uses that time to, I don&#8217;t know, actually help someone in the community instead, is the day I might start to listen.  Personally, I follow those who lead via example, not via sanctimony.</p>
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		<title>By: victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry VOR and everybody else, I did very little today to prevent future crimes from being committed.

 My mind is stuck contemplating the dichotomy of nobility - the place between those who are not noble and those who are are the opposite of noble.

And my real confession - I don&#039;t actually know exactly what a latte is - just a foamless cappuccino?

But mostly now deliciously awaiting a re-write of Dvorak&#039;s original (dull, trite and lazy) piece.

&quot;The latte complainer,  a 30 something black male immigrant, a former refuge who lived in refugee camp as a teen,  supported himself since he was 17, with a variety of service positions, including a job at a coffee shop, and has allegedly never murdered anyone.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry VOR and everybody else, I did very little today to prevent future crimes from being committed.</p>
<p> My mind is stuck contemplating the dichotomy of nobility &#8211; the place between those who are not noble and those who are are the opposite of noble.</p>
<p>And my real confession &#8211; I don&#8217;t actually know exactly what a latte is &#8211; just a foamless cappuccino?</p>
<p>But mostly now deliciously awaiting a re-write of Dvorak&#8217;s original (dull, trite and lazy) piece.</p>
<p>&#8220;The latte complainer,  a 30 something black male immigrant, a former refuge who lived in refugee camp as a teen,  supported himself since he was 17, with a variety of service positions, including a job at a coffee shop, and has allegedly never murdered anyone.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. T - You are obsessed with high-end chocolate shops.  Seriously.  Putting smiley faces in all your posts doesn&#039;t mean you aren&#039;t a douchebag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. T &#8211; You are obsessed with high-end chocolate shops.  Seriously.  Putting smiley faces in all your posts doesn&#8217;t mean you aren&#8217;t a douchebag.</p>
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